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#46 07-19-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Again, let us see the damage, any proof of damage at all.
I really want to see proof.
That is one way I learn, from mistakes.

Next time you are waiting in line at the fuel station remember you are the one that called me a lemming/sheep.

Let's start with the most recent one for example: Like THIS one.

I have never had to wait in line for fuel.

I say sheep because they all blend together in the fad heard and keep bleating the same things.

RichC · #47 07-19-2007, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pmari

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum
Atmospheric fractional distillation was absolutly happening with crude oil in the mid to late 1800's. Mostly Naptha, Kerosene, diesel and lower fractions.
Petroleum products like Ashphalt, Lamp oil (Kerosene saved the whales from extinction) etc... and before crude oil was distilled, coal was distilled into lamp oil. What I don't know is what the distribution was like.

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Who in the heck was distilling crude oil in the mid 1800's
I did not think it was that old.

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Diesel repeated experiments with plant oil's, he was not the first nor was it his original idea. Diesel also used creosote oil and tar in his motors. (read the document I posted in photo bucket)

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I do not know how to get to the photo bucket document.

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I agree with your last statement, but the qualifier would be, those early stationary motors are a far cry from the motors we are burning plant oils in today.

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Yes, I feel like I am starting to try and split hairs now.

I truly cannot tell you what Mr Diesel's intentions were.
( as far a fuels, and his engine )

And can we really put a number, or percentage on to how similar Mr diesels engines were to the 1980's OM617.
Or in that matter, how similar the 80's engines are to todays.

Someone else can do that, I don't wanna.

I think we have met at the property line and were able to reach across the fence and shake hands.

Thanks for the intellectual duel.
I have had fun.

Thank You
RichC
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RichC · #48 07-19-2007, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Let's start with the most recent one for example: Like THIS one.

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There is nothing in this link about any destruction of parts from using any alternative fuel.

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I have never had to wait in line for fuel.

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Then I guess you were not around in the 80's gas crisis !
So, I take it your somewhere around 16 years old ?
Well hold on for a little while, it's starting again !!!

You can honestly tell me you have never waited behind someone at the fuel pump ??? !!!
Have you even bought fuel by yourself ??!!

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I say sheep because they all blend together in the fad heard and keep bleating the same things.

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No, you said sheep because you cant keep your metaphors straight.

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I cant believe I have been debating a child !!!
You got me there sonny, now run along and leave us adults to our business !!

Wow, I have really embarrassed myself here.
Ouch !!!

Gotta watch what I am doing on this here internet thinggy a little closer !!!

Whew!!
Exit stage left !
RichC

#49 07-19-2007, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

There is nothing in this link about any destruction of parts from using any alternative fuel.

The link provided shows one of the early problems that will occur from engine abuse, erm, cold WVO usage.

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Then I guess you were not around in the 80's gas crisis !
So, I take it your somewhere around 16 years old ?
Well hold on for a little while, it's starting again !!!

I am 22 years old. What gas crisis? Last time I looked around, we have more oil than we can get rid of.

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No, you said sheep because you cant keep your metaphors straight.

I said sheep because I meant sheep. I mean what I say.

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You got me there sonny, now run along and leave us adults to our business !!

Wow, you sure are mature for 37!

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Wow, I have really embarrassed myself here.

Don't worry, it's not the first time it's happened for you in this thread.

RichC · #50 07-19-2007, 03:42 AM

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Dear Forcedinduction,

You have admitted to having no knowledge about alternative fuels.

While you do have a right to your opinion.
None of your statements are based on facts that I can tell.

As long as you continue to post about alternative fuels.
And state things as facts, that you have admitted you know nothing about.
I will try to be there to give people the benefit of what I have learned first hand.

Sincerely
RichC

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#51 07-19-2007, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

You have demonstrated, and admitted to having no knowledge about alternative fuels.

I have NEVER admitted to not having knowledge about alternative fuels. YOU ASSUME I don't have said knowledge.

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As long as you continue to post about alternative fuels.
And state things as facts, that you have NOT admitted you know nothing about.
I will be following behind you, trying to give people the truth.

In other words, you will be trolling me and trying to lure more people into your fad with questionable promises and reasoning.

RichC · #52 07-19-2007, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

I have NEVER admitted to not having knowledge about alternative fuels. YOU ASSUME I don't have said knowledge.

In other words, you will be trolling me and trying to lure more people into your fad with questionable promises and reasoning.

Honestly, I've been a productive member of this forum for over 4 years and you are one of the few people that has ever managed to truly piss me off in that time.

Yes you admitted to not having the time to research alternative fuels, and have many times stated you have never, and will never use them.

In fact you did both of these earlier in this post !

I assume that trolling is following behind people and posting.
This started with you trolling me and my posts, hijacking them, remember?

I guess nobody has taken the time to challenge you or your ideas, welcome to the real world.
Be as pissed as you want.
It still does not change facts.

Wow, This is how I use my time. Trying to help, and I get this.

Have Fun man.
Take a break and chill out.

RichC
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#53 07-19-2007, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Yes you admitted to not having the time to research alternative fuels, and have many times stated you have never, and will never use them.

Using has nothing to do with not researching. Do you research if guns can kill by shooting yourself?

I live near Boulder, CO. There are plenty of sheep up in the Boulder Bubble following the WVO fad so it's use is a common enough occurrence around here that I have interacted with plenty of users.

RichC · #54 07-19-2007, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Using has nothing to do with not researching. Do you research if guns can kill by shooting yourself?

I live near Boulder, CO. There are plenty of sheep up in the Boulder Bubble following the WVO fad so it's use is a common enough occurrence around here that I have interacted with plenty of users.

Then share your experiences.
Not what you heard from this or that person.
Tell us what you know.

I am personally trying to learn more.
You have the complete opposite opinion on the subject as me.
I know that, that is why I think you are valuable to me.
But you have to share what you know.
Not just let all these posts degrade into a shoving match.

I am like Abraham Lincoln.
If you read about him, you will find he kept educated people around him that had opposing opinions to his.
You have the opposing opinion, and I have been trying to get you to share your information.

Not just stating that alternative fuels are stupid or will destroy your engine.
Tell me what will destroy my engine, what part of the engine, why will it.

I am here to learn, and you can step up and be a teacher.
Or you can drown in the masses of unwanted opinions.

There it is, the straight poop.
Bet you did not expect that.

Have Fun
RichC
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#55 07-19-2007, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

You have the opposing opinion, and I have been trying to get you to share your information..

I have no desire to waste my time debating about a fringe group of people wanting to abuse their engine with used fryer junk.

It's 3am already, I've wasted much more time than I originally wanted to on this topic and I need to sleep before going to work. I'm through with you for now, good night.

RichC · #56 07-19-2007, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

I have no desire to waste my time debating about a fringe group of people wanting to abuse their engine with used fryer junk.

It's 3am already, I've wasted much more time than I originally wanted to on this topic and I need to sleep before going to work. I'm through with you for now, good night.

I do not want to waste time either.
I want to hear peoples real experiences about things.
You talk a good deal about how bad alternative fuels are.
More than anyone else I have run into here.
So I thought you would know more.

Great thing about me being completely mentally insane (bipolar disorder), there is no work tomorrow, or need for sleep on some nights.
And it is some of the more horrible things also.

Good Night

Thank You
Have Fun
Until tomorrow, I bid you peace and happiness.
RichC

NC Benz · #57 07-19-2007, 06:46 AM

Got to agree with RichC here. You have posted one link. And that was even questionable. To be honest there is no support for your claims, other than calling people sheep.

I would like to think that some of the posts I have put on here have been supported by fact or references. I have also done a lot of research on the topic as to make a educated decision as to the path to take.

Like with diesel fuel, with WVO/SVO et al, there are right ways and there are wrongs ways to use the fuel or energy. Doesnt make one any better than the other. If there are creative minds that can find new ways of doing things, and save money or reduce emissions, then I think those with the gumption and drive should be supported.

To be honest it appears to me that you are more of the sheep as to follow the way it has always been done; by not opening your mind to new possibilities. And specifically for not supporting your statements with any facts. Sorry but taking your word for it just doesnt cut it. Continuing to nay say something that appears you have no knowledge on, just makes you more the the troll I am afraid. Every time you are asked to support your stand you are too busy, but yet you have time to stay up until 3AM arguing via posting.

Too bad as there are many other posts you have that have great information.

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Originally Posted by RichC

I do not want to waste time either.
I want to hear peoples real experiences about things.
You talk a good deal about how bad alternative fuels are.
More than anyone else I have run into here.
So I thought you would know more.

Great thing about me being completely mentally insane (bipolar disorder), there is no work tomorrow, or need for sleep on some nights.
And it is some of the more horrible things also.

Thank You
Have Fun
Until tomorrow, I bid you peace and happiness.
RichC

NC Benz · #58 07-19-2007, 09:23 AM

I would strongly suggest that you read the following research paper: http://downloads.heartland.org/12312.pdf

It is called:
Restructuring Climate and Environmental changes of the Past 100 Years.
Written By:
Willie Swoon and Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard_Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Craig Idso and Sherwood Idso
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
David Lagates
Center of Climatic Research, University of Delaware

"Unless there are serious flaws in the timing of the early-to-middle 20th century surface thermometer warming, or unknown anthropogenic mechanisms that caused a large amplification of surface temperature of the then-small increase in anthropogenic atmospheric CO2, then the early part of the 270 Energy & Environment · Vol. 14, Nos. 2 & 3, 2003 20th century warming must be largely dissociated from anthropogenic CO2 emissions.
Other anthropogenic factors still need to be studied on a case by case basis."

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Originally Posted by rudolfgreen

as a tree hugging earth worshipper, my thoughts have evolved with my perspective, as hopefully others do consciously likewise.
through the present time, feel that current culture forgets the important teachings of past, which is an unfortunate event.

in getting back to the roots, there has been a few things learned..
1) lovecraft sucks, and gives veg conversions the same reputation GM did for diesels.
2) small batch biodiesel production is difficult to achieve successfully, consistently.

like anything in existence, when utilized properly, you receive proper results.
wvo is worse for the engine than svo due to the increased acidity from the cooking process,
but until we see biodiesel available like we see 10% ethanol, will continue to utilize my one tank/5micron/170F system.

otherwise, refuting biofuels is like refuting petroleum's impact on global warming..how do you refute proven science?

tankdriver · #59 07-19-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

That's inaccurate. Global warming is proven. Man's contribution is the hot button debate. No scientist disagrees with the fact that the earth is warmer than it was 200 years ago.

That is a straight out lie, there are a huge number of scientists that don't follow the global warming political agenda.

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The weather is full of peaks and valleys. What were are experiencing is called a cycle, the odds are very likely that eventually it will lead to a cooling trend and another warming trend.

If it's a lie, how can a cooling trend follow if we're not in a warming trend? Sorry bud, even the most conservative scientists have acknowledged the earth is warmer than it used to be.

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We don't even have a drop in the bucket of earths weather history. Forecasters can't even correctly predict next weeks weather, how can anyone honestly believe we can predict the long term future of our climate?

First, ice core samples are one way scientists can examine global history for 100s of thousands of years. Second, one does not need to predict global warming as it is already evident.

Believe what you will about the why.

#60 07-19-2007, 09:57 AM

Why don't you guys go play in the OD?