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Old 05-27-2006, 10:26 AM
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Diesenol??

Does anyone know anything about this product? (See link below). Is it real or bunk?

http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/mw/06131405.htm

"Diesenol is a diesel fuel substitute that outperforms regular diesel and traditional bio-diesel. Proven through extensive lab and real world testing, Diesenol is made of 95% ethanol, runs in unmodified diesel engines, improves engine performance, extends engine life, and drastically reduces exhaust emissions."

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Old 05-27-2006, 11:03 AM
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The story implies that there is a patent. That means that there is information about it which is now in the public domain (the information, not the process). Of course, it doesn't mean that it works.
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:47 PM
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http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/06/xcelplus_acquir.html

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XcelPlus International, a marketer of fuel technologies, chemicals and lubricants, has secured from Smartek Tecnologia Electronica LTDA, a Brazilian company, the worldwide production and distribution rights to a proprietary E95 (95% ethanol) blend for use in diesel engines.

The Diesenol blend consists of 95.2% ethanol and 4.8% proprietary petrochemical additive, and will burn, according to XcelPlus, in unmodified diesel engines.

Interest in using a 95% ethanol blend with a 5% ignition improver in heavy-duty diesels stretches back more than 15 years, with the US Department of Energy through the National Renewable Energy Laboratory and the American Trucking Association Foundation supporting at least three tests of the fuel: heavy-duty snowplow/dumptrucks in Minnesota; another set of snowplow/dumptrucks in Nebraska; and four Archer Daniel Midlands line haul trucks.
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:49 PM
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This product caught my attention the other day when I picked up a brochure in a local filling station. The brochure made it sound like E95 is a currently available product.
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:36 PM
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the diesel engine was engineered on straight vegetable oil, why waste the energy producing a modified ethanol?
capitalism should never override sustainabiliy; although any renewable resource is better than the current petroleum disaster. $.02

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Old 07-16-2007, 09:46 PM
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Remember it comes from Brazil...

You have to remember that this process comes from Brazil where they use ethanol from sugar cane to power just about all their cars. What makes sense for them does not necessarily make sense for us where we can get bioD from soy or rapeseed oil...

I have also heard about a synthetic diesel made from natural gas that was developed in Germany back in the 1920's I read about it in this month's "Star" magazine. Has anybody heard about this process?
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http://patentpending.blogs.com/patent_pending_blog/2004/10/a_car_that_runs.html
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:52 PM
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FT diesel

Check this out about synthetic fuels yesterday and today...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer_Tropsch

biomass to diesel
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:24 PM
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the diesel engine was invented to run on veg oil,
Incorrect, that is an old myth.
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Incorrect, that is an old myth.
Others would beg to differ......

Patentstorm.us (referring to US Patent 6013114)- "Rudolf Diesel himself used vegetable oils for operating the first diesel engines."
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6013114-description.html

Wikipedia - "When Rudolf Diesel invented the diesel engine, he designed it to run on peanut oil after coal dust was determined to be unsuitable as a fuel but it was soon discovered that it would operate on cheaper petroleum oil."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_oil_used_as_fuel

Dieselenginemotor.com - "It was in February of 1897 that he accomplished a great achievement and produced a diesel engine that ran at 75% efficiency. This was the first one of its kind that was deemed suitable for practical use and was demonstrated at the Exhibition fair in France in the year 1898. This engine in particular was run on peanut oil and in Diesel's vision was great for the small business owners as well as farmers as it used an economical fuel source that was a biomass fuel. It was his use of a biomass fuel that continued until the 1920's and is starting again today."
http://www.dieselenginemotor.com/diesel_engine_history.html

Minnesota Public Radio: "The inventor of the diesel engine, Rudolf Diesel, ran his first prototype on peanut oil. He believed farm-based products would fuel commercial use of the engine."
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/01/07_steilm_biodiesel/

Speedace.com - "Diesel intended the engine to use a variety of fuels including coal dust. He demonstrated it in the 1900 Exposition Universelle (World's Fair) using peanut oil."
http://www.speedace.info/diesel.htm

Department of Energy - "
Rudolf Diesel originally designed the diesel engine to use coal dust as fuel, then experimented with vegetable oil (biodiesel) before the petroleum industry came out with the product now known as diesel fuel."
http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/sources/non-renewable/diesel.html

Cybertruckstop.com - "The first practical diesel engine ran on peanut oil. Yes, it's true, Rudolph Diesel designed the diesel engine to be run on biodiesel. Even though the prototype was fueled by powdered coal, the engine unveiled in 1898 at the Exhibition Fair in Paris ran on peanut oil. It was only after petroleum-based diesel fuel, in the 1920's, became cheap and plentiful that diesel engines were redesigned to make use of lower viscosity petro-diesel rather than biodiesel."
http://www.thecybertruckstop.com/DS/fuelprices.html

goodvibesauto.com - "The concept of using vegetable oil as an engine fuel dates back to 1895 when Rudolf Diesel (1858-1913) developed the first engine to run on peanut oil, as he demonstrated at the World Exhibition in Paris in 1900. Rudolf Diesel died 1913 before his vision of a vegetable oil powered engine was fully realized. "
http://www.goodvibesautos.com/

American Farm Bureau - "Rudolf Diesel had the right idea. Actually, the rather prolific inventor had a number of them, but only one made his name part of common worldwide vernacular. In the 1890s Diesel invented the motor designed to run not on petroleum, but on vegetable oil. The notion of biodiesel, it seems, is not as new-fangled as people thought."
http://www.fb.org/index.php?fuseaction=newsroom.focusfocus&year=2002&file=fo0916.html

Diamler-Chrysler - "Diesel fuel can be derived from a multitude of sources including renewable energy sources"
www.daimlerchrysler.com/Projects/c2c/channel/documents/864334_60612_Enderle_London_Investor_Show_Handout.pdf


Gizmohighway.com - "
Rudolf Diesel's diesel engine, a single 10 ft (3 m) iron cylinder with a flywheel at its base, ran on its own power for the first time in Augsburg, Germany on August 10, 1893. Diesel later demonstrated his engine at the World Fair in Paris, France in 1900. This engine stood as an example of Diesel's vision because it was powered by peanut oil—a biofuel."
http://www.gizmohighway.com/autos/biodiesel.htm

Just Auto (Quoting Lee Booth of Ford Auto) - "Ford remembers Diesel and his peanut oil."

http://www.just-auto.com/article.aspx?ID=90936

Energy.gov - "
There were no petrol stations in Paris when French-born Dr. Rudolf Diesel demonstrated his new compression-ignition "diesel" engine in 1900. His fuel was vegetable oil-chemically similar to the soybean oil now commonly used as a feedstock for biodiesel fuel."
http://www.eere.energy.gov/cleancities/ccn/archive/5_3feature.html

Germanculture.com - "Besides, Diesel was sure that his engine can be fed with vegetables oils and would help considerably in the development of agriculture of the countries which use it. That;s why his invention was originally known as the oil engine. Diesel gave us a hi-tech and energy option that could become an alternative to petroleum."
http://www.germanculture.com.ua/spanish/library/weekly/es_rudolf_diesel.htm


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Department of Energy - "Rudolf Diesel originally designed the diesel engine to use coal dust as fuel, then experimented with vegetable oil (biodiesel) before the petroleum industry came out with the product now known as diesel fuel."
Thank you, at least one of them got it right.
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Thank you, at least one of them got it right.



And where is your proof that it is an old myth ???

Any of us can talk, some of us learn and then talk about what we have learned.



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Old 07-17-2007, 05:26 AM
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You have to remember that this process comes from Brazil where they use ethanol from sugar cane to power just about all their cars. What makes sense for them does not necessarily make sense for us where we can get bioD from soy or rapeseed oil...

I have also heard about a synthetic diesel made from natural gas that was developed in Germany back in the 1920's I read about it in this month's "Star" magazine. Has anybody heard about this process?
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Hey thanks, I never thought of of some people having such a better supply of products to make ethanol.

I could not understand why they were taking corn and going thru all the complexities of turning it into ethanol instead of just squeezing it into oil.

You cant squeeze sugar too well.

Sometimes I get really limited in my thinking because I am just thinking about me and this country.
This was one of those times.

Thanks for the broader view.

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Thank you, at least one of them got it right.

I guess you continue to BLINDLY miss the point. _I_ got one of them right? Guess we should just forget about the rest of the quotes. Hey whatever fits YOUR needs for spin!

If you read some of these... it says that Diesel used coal dust to start out, but then as he developed the engine he found that kerosene worked better than coal dust. By the time he was ready to demonstrate his engine for the World Fair, he devloped his engine to use peanut oil. See, diesel fuel was not INVENTED YET, as there was no need for it. In addition Diesel liked the idea of using a renewable resource.

So for the first public demonstration, Diesel was using vegetable oil in the form of peanut oil. So he DID develop the engine for vegetable oil. Heck even Diamler-Chrysler says- "Diesel fuel can be derived from a multitude of sources including renewable energy sources"

Go ahead and spin your way out of that one.

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