Diesel fuel price to increase in 2007? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

sfloriII · #1 06-13-2006, 12:48 AM

Hey Guys,

Man! I haven't been over here in a while!

Here'e the question: I'm thinking of purchasing an '06 VW TDI. I was talking with a guy today who told me that due to new government regulations

to take effect next year or so, the price of diesel fuel will rise. Emissions stuff....

Is that true and how much do people expect the price of diesel to increase? Will it offset the advantage of the better fuel economy?

Thanks!!

#2 06-13-2006, 01:29 AM

It will likely go up be a few cents. It's not going to jump crazy like a dollar. Alot of refineries are already producing ULSD. The Commerce City Suncor refinery down the street shut down for a whole week to make the changes.

greasybenz · #3 06-13-2006, 01:33 AM

Well here is the thing, the fuel price shouldnt rise due to the new mandated ULSD 15ppm diesel fuel. South San Francisco,CA olympian and shell has just received it recently.

When we had LSD it was $3.25, now we have new emission mandated ULSD its still $3.25.

That VW TDI will serve you well, we get as high as 50mpg in the 05 Passat TDI. But if you wait just a little bit (2007) we will be offered VW TDI's with common rail!! That means fuel economy and performance should go up!

#4 06-13-2006, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by greasybenz

we will be offered VW TDI's with common rail!! That means fuel economy and performance should go up!

I thought that the PD was better because of the higher injection pressures over common rail.

greasybenz · #5 06-13-2006, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

I thought that the PD was better because of the higher injection pressures over common rail.

It was flawed because it lowered MPG's and wouldnt pass 2007's emissions as VW hoped. Reason why they held off on releasing the touareg again this year in diesel. So they can update to common rail and have it pass 07 emissions.

As i said the best we get is 50mpg, and thats on regular D2 and all highway. A older VE TDI can go up to 60mpg and average 45mpg city or hwy.

Sure the 29,000PSI is great of the PD but it just wouldnt pass emissions. Common rail is said to be much better because it has even higher PSI then PD

Wolfsburg · #6 06-13-2006, 07:29 AM

Buy your 2006 VW diesel soon as the supply will dry up and no VW diesels will be available til the earliest 2008, being passed off as a 2009 model. VW and most others want to meet the 2009 standards so that they can sell in all 50 states again. Jeep will not have a diesel nest year either. VW will be without diesels for about 12 months...so they say now! Good luck.

GeneralStark · #7 06-13-2006, 12:38 PM

Diesel fuel prices will continue to rise and this will have nothing to do with ULSD. Non-renewable resources always increase in price until the demand is higher than the supply, at which point the price goes way up. We're all in for a bumpy ride.

sfloriII · #8 06-13-2006, 01:15 PM

Thanks for the info, guys!

So, will there or will there not be a '07 VW diesel that I should buy/wait for? I'm getting conflicting information on that.

87tdwagen · #9 06-13-2006, 01:54 PM

If your primary concern is fuel efficiency then you should always compare MPG numbers agains the fuel type and against comparable engines, 4-6 cyl gas, diesel and hybrid. This will allow you to calculate operating cost of fuel and will be a better measure than fuel price alone for your decision.

Example if car A gets 20 mpg on gas and car B gets 40mpg on diesel, car B is twice as efficient as car A. Therefore unless gas price is more than twice the price of diesel, you are saving more with diesel.

The likelyhood that diesel will get to a price point where it is less efficient than gas is extremely unlikely due to several reasons, but most importantly, it cost MORE to refine gas than it does to make #2 diesel. This case has held true in Europe for over a decade. Even in the rare occasions as we see now where diesel is sometimes equal to the cost of premium gas or even slightly moreso, it has yet to reach the point where it's efficiency factor is worse than gas, so buy a diesel and enjoy

Wolfsburg · #10 06-13-2006, 09:43 PM

There will be NO VW diesels in 2007 and most likely none in model year 2008! The best will be a 2009 model that will be available in spring of 2008. But that is far into the future and as with most auto makers what they say today will not necessarily be what happens in real time. If you want a new VW diesel buy it soon as I am sure the price will go up because of supply and demand...just wait til another bad hurricane season comes this year. Search this site and you will find similar info..tdiclub.com

greasybenz · #11 06-13-2006, 10:13 PM

i may have gotten my info confused, either that or it was really late and i was sleepy when i wrote my responce.

Here is what dieselforcast has to say...

http://dieselforecast.com/ArticleDetails.php?articleID=284

Hatterasguy · #12 06-13-2006, 10:14 PM

Of course fuel is going to continue to rise in price. I'd be surprised if it didn't.

Strife · #13 06-13-2006, 10:24 PM

There was an interesting article in the MBCA Star this month about the new MB system which will be used to make new diesels 50-state legal again. It involves all sorts of new technical voodoo including urea injection (yes, like urine), which will be kept in a separate tank. I think they are negotiating with the EPA now about how the car will function when it runs out (not running at all vs running with a LOW UREA light or some such warning). This magic is unfortunately not free and it will put a new diesel on par with a hybrid in cost.

sfloriII · #14 06-14-2006, 12:32 AM

Thanks again for the great info, guys! Looks like I'll be buying a diesel VW soon.

crx · #15 06-14-2006, 12:45 AM

I just filled up with ULSD... no price difference.
We have had ULSD for a while now and I have never seen any real difference vs LSD diesel.