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Old 06-24-2006, 12:45 AM
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hello everyone
today i removed drivers side door panel in hopes of fixing the lock. when i turn key it seems to free wheel and does not lock or unlock the door, al other doors work
when i looked inside i saw i a little white plastic clip of some sort and it moved when i turned key , but seemed to have to much play to do anything. , i think its the part that is broken, but for the life of me i could not se how to remove it
does anyone know what im talking about, please help lol
thanking you ahead of time , mike

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Old 06-24-2006, 03:06 PM
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Mike what model are you working on,I can help you with a w126 chassis,Johnny
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Old 06-24-2006, 03:16 PM
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hello , john
thankyou so much for your reply. my car is a 300sdl/ 1986. i have had it sense new. when i opened the door panel and saw that part i mentioned , i couldnt see how to get at it, thankyou so much for your help before hand
mike
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Old 06-24-2006, 03:17 PM
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its a 126 model, lol forgot to tell you
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Old 06-24-2006, 03:20 PM
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There are two screws that hold the handle,one at the rear(access back of the door)and one at the front(access through door panel),then using the key from the outside turn key and pull handle and it should come out.I can send you a pix if you need,I just listed a complete lock set on Ebay so they are laying on the counter.let me know what you need I am getting reay to send the car to the crusher in the next two weeks,Johnny
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Old 06-24-2006, 03:36 PM
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wow thanks that was so quick, ill get at it in about two hours, cant wait to get it out, thanks again ill let you know what i need

ps sounds sad that its going to crusher,
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Old 06-24-2006, 03:37 PM
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Cool,hope it works.Johnny
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Old 06-24-2006, 04:12 PM
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same thing happened to my 83 240D that white plastic thing was broke, and i had no clue were to find another one, so i just flipped the door handles on the driver and passenger side, now i have locks
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Old 07-12-2006, 02:53 AM
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one of my white plastic things is broken too. It is for the passenger side. Super glue doesn't seem to work. Does anybody have an idea where I can get a part number or something? Would this little piece even have a part number?

One thing though. With the vacuum system working well, isn;t it very hard to lock/unlock any door except the drivers? This would be because you are pushing/pulling against the vacuum. The master vacuum control is in the driver's door and that is what controls every lock. If this is so, I don't even see why you would have a key on the passenger's side. Or door knobs at all on any other door except the drivers. I know when I try to unlock a door against the vacuum it is hard to do. This could have been what snapped my plastic piece (somebody trying to unlock it with the key against the vacuum).
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Old 07-12-2006, 03:20 AM
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ok after searching more I find that this is not an uncommon problem. The recomended solutions are call Phil or go to a dealer.

I still wonder about the whole door lock system design. Am I really not allowed to lock or unlock my door (easily) if I am sitting in the back seat? How does everybody get around this?
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Old 07-12-2006, 10:55 AM
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There are two screws that hold the handle,one at the rear(access back of the door)and one at the front(access through door panel),then using the key from the outside turn key and pull handle and it should come out.I can send you a pix if you need,

I just listed a complete lock set on Ebay so they are laying on the counter.let me know what you need I am getting reay to send the car to the crusher in the next two weeks,Johnny

Hi Johhny, From which model did the door handle and lock set come ?
I need a driver's side door handle (that's complete with inside door handle and and master key for my 1984 300SD T/D (126 chassis).

Please let me know at padraigogealagain@rogers.com asap

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Old 07-12-2006, 11:26 AM
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one of my white plastic things is broken too. It is for the passenger side. Super glue doesn't seem to work. Does anybody have an idea where I can get a part number or something? Would this little piece even have a part number?

One thing though. With the vacuum system working well, isn;t it very hard to lock/unlock any door except the drivers? This would be because you are pushing/pulling against the vacuum. The master vacuum control is in the driver's door and that is what controls every lock. If this is so, I don't even see why you would have a key on the passenger's side. Or door knobs at all on any other door except the drivers. I know when I try to unlock a door against the vacuum it is hard to do. This could have been what snapped my plastic piece (somebody trying to unlock it with the key against the vacuum).
As for a part number and availability of the plastic part - my authorised Benz dealer parts man said that one has to buy the complete handle and Benz will arrange to 'key-way' it based on the Vin number of the car so that the original keys will operate it ( takes about four weeks after order to get it, and it is pricey at Can$294. + 14% taxes!)

On my 1984 300SD ( wich is a combination electric/vacuum system ), the complete system is quite easy. As soon as one unlocks driver's door all doors are unlocked. If when seated as driver, one depresses the master vacuum knob all doors are locked automatically [it's a safety thing, both for passengers - children particulary - and also hijackers can not just open doors and pull you or any passenger out, or steal parcels , etc.]. It also works in reverse for all doors. and also individually for the other three doors.

Key for passenger side? It's a convenience feature, saves you walking around to driver's side to just put parcels on the seat. Similiar idea with the so-called Valet key - it will only unlock driver's door and start car, but it won't release locked trunk or glove box.
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Old 07-12-2006, 02:33 PM
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As for a part number and availability of the plastic part - my authorised Benz dealer parts man said that one has to buy the complete handle and Benz will arrange to 'key-way' it based on the Vin number of the car so that the original keys will operate it ( takes about four weeks after order to get it, and it is pricey at Can$294. + 14% taxes!)
This is a plastic piece for the assembly inside the door, not a part of the handle. It is the part that the rod on the handle fits into.

I think I might know what my trouble is regarding the rest of my locking system (hard to lock from non driver's door). I'll verify and repost as soon as I figure it out.
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Old 07-12-2006, 03:46 PM
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The white plastic pieces is quite common

on many cars, particularly euro ones so you can find replacements at junk yards and will have to match the style, better if you found you're own style and salvage from there. FYI Jags use metal clips and many are interchangable with MB's
Dealers and Phil may have them, usually these items are dropped from stock shortly after production runs so new supply may be limited.

Any autoparts store that has a HELP product section will have assorment packets in plastic and stampped steel, I have found many alternatives of common design and prefer the metal ones as they don't break nearly as easily.

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Old 07-14-2006, 09:58 PM
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I still wonder about the whole door lock system design. Am I really not allowed to lock or unlock my door (easily) if I am sitting in the back seat? How does everybody get around this?
Ok, I figured out what my problems was. Someone put a one way valve on the supply line to the master vacuum switch in the drivers door. There is no reason to have it there and every reason to not have it there.

The only way it can be put on and still have the vacuum lock work at all is if it's allowable airflow direction is away from the master switch and toward the vacuum source/reservoir. And it was put on that way. But this has the effect of isolating the door lock lines from the resrevoir ONLY when you go to manually pull/push a switch in a door other than the drivers door. This means that when you push/pull a door lock you are pulling a vacuum on a very small volume (only the volume of the door lock lines, either the red or the green but not both) so it is hard to do. Without the one way valve there, you are pulling against a much larger volume (the door lock lines, etc, PLUS the reservoir) so it is a lot easier.

I susspect that is why the little white plastic piece broke.

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