Oh boy, not sure , but is this possible? I have been saying lattely
that I suspect the valves [fuel] that are on top of IP were maybe
clogged? sticking? waiting for socket to be delivered. so that I may clean an reinstall.
My son, being helpful, informed me that he turned the timming adjusting bolt,
the one used for retarding/advancing timming, situated On the IP.
he said that would open the fuel delivery all the way!!??
could that be why no fuel is comming out ?
is there a starting point/default setting if you will if timming is so far off and you want to start from scratch??
just for the heck of it I backed it off some and spun the engine, and got squirting out of one maybe two valves. is it coincedince that some tapping/cleaner did the job, or timming so far off??
feelinglikeadumbass!!

mark

May rename this thread "I FRIGIN P'

OK, got the socket, pulled the fuel valves, cleaned, and now ready to reinstall.
just for ha ha's I spun engine to [hopefully] watch fuel shoot out top of IP .

what da, nothin,no squirts drips notta,

help!!!!!!!!

Mark

190D,

Changing the timing of an IP won't change the fuel delivery. It just changes the instant at which the IP squirts the fuel to the injectors.

Is there any way U can check to see if the pump is rotating? Maybe by removing the IP front cover.

How hard is it to remove the IP on your engine? Maybe U could take off the IP and take it to a Diesel injection shop and have it tested. You don't necessarily have to have to entire pump rebuilt, just have fixed what is wrong with it.

P E H

I believe that this is where you have derailed yourself. A 601, at idle, will consume about 1 quart of fuel in one hour. That's about .13 oz./cylinder/minute. It's certainly not much fuel and is the reason that you don't see much fuel coming from the IP.

If you wish to see more fuel from the IP, you must crank it with your right foot on the floor. With the rack fully open, you'll see fuel at about a rate of about 3 gallons per hour.......or more.........with a flow of 1.60 oz./cylinder/minute. Now, you'll see some fuel.

The chances of the IP having internal problems are about 200:1. You're chasing the wrong hardware, IMHO.

Reconnect the hard lines, crack all the hard lines at the injectors, and crank it with your foot planted on the floor for 15 seconds. Get out and check for fuel dribbling all over the injectors. If you've got fuel at all four, then tighten up the nuts and strart the engine. If you don't have fuel, then repeat the cranking for 15 seconds until you do get the fuel.

If it does not start, you've then got to check for 12V at the glow plugs.

deep breath......
decided to start from scratch,
got new fuel filter,filled, installed, noticed when removing other recently
installed filter, only half full[or empty].[burp]??
cracked each hard line at injector in sucsession turnning over engine
each time till fuel was present.
let sit over night w/batt charging 2amp setting.checked 12v at each glow plug.

today tryed starting, almost there,sounds like 2 cylinders tryin
it wants to start,made sure I disconnected vac hoses at IP.
It wants to start, but just not there....
mark

Operator error.

Crack all four hard lines at once. Crank with foot on floor until fuel appears at all four hard lines and dribbles over the injectors.

Tighten hard lines.

Start engine.

Do not let sit overnight.

wish I could say I was succsesful Brian, but the fact of the matter is
*$@&)M)&^Z?/^ sazafrazrgin..........

Next step in the process-----compression test!!!!!!!

son has tool [comp tester] must wait till 2-morrow.

Thanks for stickin in there.

Mark

So, you did get fuel at all four dribbling over the outside of the injectors?

Tightened them and no start???

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"So, you did get fuel at all four dribbling over the outside of the injectors?

Tightened them and no start???"

"affirmative/no start"

mark

I read through the thread again.........have you confirmed that you have 12V at the glow plugs when the key is turned to the #2 position?

yes sir,also fuel oozing at top of injectors when cracked.
I em at a lose here!
vac lines disconnected, doing every thing by the book,
my son suggested the compresion test, bring tester home 2-night
even thought of timeing chain jumping[if thats poss or does it matter?]
it sure seems like it wants to start.jumps like 1 maybe 2 cylinders firing.
there is smoke [white] blow by??, present after several start trys, not a bad smell more like half burnt fuel. of coarse I maybe, or already am, out of my mind.

thanks Mark

I'm at a loss myself.

If you have fuel and working glow plugs, it should start.........unless the IP timing is way off.

The white smoke and the smell of unburned fuel in the exhaust confirms that you've got the fuel.

Poor compression is the least likely culprit, but certainly not impossible.

Don't know the specifics of checking timing on that engine and whether it's checked electronically or not.........but........it's probably the next step in the program.

that the shutoff valve is not in the down position? Hold it up with a bungee cord when you crank, to be sure.....
Then again, does that model have the shutoff valve?

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'83 300D
'87 300SDL
'98 Dodge Ram Diesel
22' Hydrasport

Yes it has a shut-off valve, to be sure I wish it was somethin so easy,
thats one of the first suspects in this murder,..
just came home from work, tryed starting,........ damned thing wants to,
son has compression tster but the fitting that screws in is to small, Hum-V,
he was a mechanic in army, home now, thank God,.
even he is puselled.
will continue


thanks still: Mark

It's not a suspect at all because you have fuel from the hard lines and fuel in the cylinders and white smoke from the exhaust.