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Old 09-06-2006, 05:17 PM
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Are you the person that sells those on ebay?

No, but I can give you his info if you wish. I bought it for $150. My car is an 85 300D.

Only the later 240s (81 and up I think) have those seperators
The 300D intake system is ugly and big, plus the 180 degree bend doesn't help airflow. The larger straighter tubing in his kit is much less restrictive. The replacement separator was part of the kit. Removing that ugly stock intake made room for my dual stage vegoil filter.

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Old 09-06-2006, 07:00 PM
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i'd stick with the oem/stock air filter. the reason these mb engines lasted for 20+ years is because of the highly efficient stock/oem filters that it has been using for 20+ years. if mb installed a high flow air filters like k&n 20 years ago, i don't think that these mb diesels will still run today. those are racing filters were you drive your car on a race track where almost no dust and road particles and debris, and those race cars engines are beaing overhauled and rebuilt after each race and some of them can't even reach the finish line.
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Old 09-06-2006, 07:11 PM
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i'd stick with the oem/stock air filter. the reason these mb engines lasted for 20+ years is because of the highly efficient stock/oem filters that it has been using for 20+ years. if mb installed a high flow air filters like k&n 20 years ago, i don't think that these mb diesels will still run today. those are racing filters were you drive your car on a race track where almost no dust and road particles and debris, and those race cars engines are beaing overhauled and rebuilt after each race and some of them can't even reach the finish line.
I agree, but we were all young and foolish once. I hacked up my share of cars too. They'll get bored and move on to something else.
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Old 09-06-2006, 10:06 PM
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I agree, but we were all young and foolish once. I hacked up my share of cars too. They'll get bored and move on to something else.
yeah! i'll hack mine too if it was not my daily driver and i have one more of this. but unfortunately, i'm stuck with her. she's my one and only. i would hate her to leave me for something that i did.
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Old 09-06-2006, 11:22 PM
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I'm not sure that replacing an air filter amounts to "hacking up a car". I guess I could have run the engine how I got it (no air filter at all), or better yet I could have just sent the car to the crusher when the 240D engine died, rather than putting in a used turbo engine. The engine transplant required much more "hacking" than the air filter.
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Old 09-06-2006, 11:54 PM
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The 300D intake system is ugly and big, plus the 180 degree bend doesn't help airflow. The larger straighter tubing in his kit is much less restrictive. The replacement separator was part of the kit. Removing that ugly stock intake made room for my dual stage vegoil filter.
Ugly, it may be, but it is much superior to the system you have on there now. The bend may restrict airflow, but even with the stock setup, you're still taking in more than enough air than the engine needs due to the turbocharger.
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Old 09-07-2006, 05:08 AM
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I'm not sure that replacing an air filter amounts to "hacking up a car". I guess I could have run the engine how I got it (no air filter at all), or better yet I could have just sent the car to the crusher when the 240D engine died, rather than putting in a used turbo engine. The engine transplant required much more "hacking" than the air filter.
Or you could have just rebuilt/replaced the correct engine for the car...
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Old 09-07-2006, 10:56 AM
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Take a look at most of the Ricers air filters

They usually have a heat shield surround on the filter to isolate cold air from the engine. so far, none of the filter pics show a heat shield surround.
to make this more efficeient than the stock, you would need to hack the radiator mount to allow forced cold air into the area.
I do like the seperate oil seperator, but Hacking up my front end seems excessive.
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Old 09-07-2006, 11:15 AM
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i'd stick with the oem/stock air filter. the reason these mb engines lasted for 20+ years is because of the highly efficient stock/oem filters that it has been using for 20+ years. if mb installed a high flow air filters like k&n 20 years ago, i don't think that these mb diesels will still run today. those are racing filters were you drive your car on a race track where almost no dust and road particles and debris, and those race cars engines are beaing overhauled and rebuilt after each race and some of them can't even reach the finish line.
I have used K&N style performance air filters on all of my vehicles for over a decade now. I have not once had any problems. They flow better but they filter better too; they're just a better design. I know guys with over 300k miles on their Powerstrokes running [similar] performance systems and they see PLENTY of off road conditions - WAY, WAY more than my 300D ever will. But unfortunately as vstech pointed out, something should be done to get colder air directly to it. With that stock mess removed I had plenty of room to mount my veg oil filter system; no way I could have put it in there with that in the way.
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Old 09-07-2006, 12:53 PM
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I have used K&N style performance air filters on all of my vehicles for over a decade now. I have not once had any problems. They flow better but they filter better too; they're just a better design. I know guys with over 300k miles on their Powerstrokes running [similar] performance systems and they see PLENTY of off road conditions - WAY, WAY more than my 300D ever will. But unfortunately as vstech pointed out, something should be done to get colder air directly to it. With that stock mess removed I had plenty of room to mount my veg oil filter system; no way I could have put it in there with that in the way.
That statement that they filter better is flat wrong. They do not. I've never had any problems with K&N, hell I use one on my 12 second 280Z, but I don't expect to put 200k miles on it either.
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That statement that they filter better is flat wrong. They do not. I've never had any problems with K&N, hell I use one on my 12 second 280Z, but I don't expect to put 200k miles on it either.
If they're doing this to make room for WVO junk, the lack of a decent air cleaner is the least of their problems, they're not going to see another 200K anyway.
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Boy I'm surprised no old schoolers here have told you to do a search yet. This subject has been hashed and rehashed and put in scrambled eggs. The simple test is this- take a 0-60 test with the stock filter. Due the same test with the "ricer" filter, then do the same test with no filter at all. It's been done and the results? NO DIFFERENCE. Now due a search on K&N and you'll find multiple indie tests which show that oiled gauze filters are inferior at stopping dust. Try this testfor yourself- take a tiny amount of heavy grease and put it inside your stock housing with a K&N. Check it a few days later. Note the amount of debris. Now do the same with a paper filter. The paper filter will have less debris. I think the people that know this are tired of explaining things that have been told and retold. But do what you want... it takes all kinds to power the planet.
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Old 09-07-2006, 05:30 PM
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Oh man, I was hoping to beat some of the 11 second Finnish cars with my new filter.
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Old 09-07-2006, 06:23 PM
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i'd stick with the oem/stock air filter. the reason these mb engines lasted for 20+ years is because of the highly efficient stock/oem filters that it has been using for 20+ years. if mb installed a high flow air filters like k&n 20 years ago, i don't think that these mb diesels will still run today. those are racing filters were you drive your car on a race track where almost no dust and road particles and debris, and those race cars engines are beaing overhauled and rebuilt after each race and some of them can't even reach the finish line.

Yes that is the truth! Filtration is key to longevity in these engines. Bypass oil filters, double fuel filters, very effective air filters. If you want more performance then I would look to another car, the MB were designed for fuel mileage, safety and reliability, not speed.
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Old 09-07-2006, 06:40 PM
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Yes that is the truth! Filtration is key to longevity in these engines. Bypass oil filters, double fuel filters, very effective air filters. If you want more performance then I would look to another car, the MB were designed for fuel mileage, safety and reliability, not speed.

I guess someone forgot to inform the Fins of this.

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