Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-08-2006, 12:31 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 21
Smokey Oil Change

Hey all:

Today I had my oil changed at a chain oil change place. All was going well until they started my car. The car sputterd at first with a thick gray smoke coming from the tail pipe. The attendent decided to give the car a little gas and that is when the fun started. The car reved extremely high blowing out enough smoke to make the largest 18 wheeler jealous.

At this point the oil change guy pulled the key out to no avail. I ran for the exit. About 4 seconds latter the car stopped...phew!

We started the car again with no problem. The car is running great.

Anyone have any idea what would cause this kind of psychosis?

Let me know.

1996 300E 150,000 miles running Biodiesel


Last edited by mandmlaird; 09-08-2006 at 12:38 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-08-2006, 12:35 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,263
They simply don't know how to change the oil on your car. Needless to say, don't go back.

This can happen if you refill the engine through the oil cap on the valve cover, let some flow over the valve seals (which is possible to prevent, but you have to work at it), then starting the engine before it had a chance to sit for fifteen minutes.

If you get any oil behind the filler cap, you need to let the engine sit before starting.

I refill mine through the filter opening.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-08-2006, 12:37 PM
pawoSD's Avatar
Dieselsüchtiger
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 15,438
What model car is this? Your sig says you have a 300E running on biodiesel? I assume you mean 300D?

What happened is the (probably moronic) attendant put in too much oil and caused a run-away diesel, your lucky it shut down and still runs normally, usually they run away like that till the engine blows a rod etc. and dies. Your very very lucky it surivived, I assume it shut down because its a 606 diesel with the electronic fuel shutoff or something.....or maybe it managed to burn off the excess oil quick enough where it didn't die. (perhaps it was only a teeny bit too much oil)


Rule:

1. Pay super close attention to oil level in engine when doing oil change.
2. Don't let idiot oil change places work on your MB.
__________________
-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life-
'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-08-2006, 12:41 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Posts: 6,510
If he filled the new oil with a hose there is a possibility some new oil ran down the old valve guides. The head got flooded out? Perhaps not enough time for it to flow to the crankcase from the head . Anyways if car has always shut off with key before I think you got some new oil into those cylinders. If car normally consumes a reasonable quantity of oil the valve rubbers might be getting a little tired. People with more experience may have better ideals.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-08-2006, 12:55 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: West of Ft. Worth. TX
Posts: 4,186
Ditto.......

If you will do a search here for "runaway diesel", you will get a very uneasy feeling about what just happened at the oil change place. Most of them do not take into account that the oil cooler is not drained and just go with the listed capacity. This nearly always results in overfilling, which can have disastrous results. There should be warning placards in your engine bay pointing this out.

I would be giving the manager a piece of my mind about teaching his personel on observing warning placards and proper oil level checks before starting the car. Return business would definitly depend on his response.
__________________
Sam

84 300SD 350K+ miles ( Blue Belle )
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-08-2006, 01:25 PM
bgkast's Avatar
Rollin' on 16s
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Vancouver WA
Posts: 6,528
Quote:
Originally Posted by SD Blue View Post
Return business would definitly depend on his response.

Not really. If it were me I would not go back even if they gave me the place. There is a chance that engine damage has occurred, even if it seems to be running ok. I would mention this to them as well. When you floor the engine when it is running on diesel the Injector pump can limit the amount of fuel and therefor the max speed the engine car run at. When the engine runs away on motor oil it can rev to way past its design limits which is why they usually go kaboom.
__________________
1979 240D- 316K miles - VGT Turbo, Intercooler, Stick Shift, Many Other Mods - Daily Driver

1982 300SD - 232K miles - Wife's Daily Driver

1986 560SL - Wife's red speed machine
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-09-2006, 11:52 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,263
Quote:
Originally Posted by pawoSD View Post
What model car is this? Your sig says you have a 300E running on biodiesel? I assume you mean 300D?

What happened is the (probably moronic) attendant put in too much oil and caused a run-away diesel, your lucky it shut down and still runs normally, usually they run away like that till the engine blows a rod etc. and dies. Your very very lucky it surivived, I assume it shut down because its a 606 diesel with the electronic fuel shutoff or something.....or maybe it managed to burn off the excess oil quick enough where it didn't die. (perhaps it was only a teeny bit too much oil)
See my post just above yours. The 606 needn't be overfilled to run away. All you need to do is pour oil on top of the valves while refilling. It's possible to fill it through the opening without getting any on top of the valves, but it's tricky.

The warning to not put oil on top of the valves, or to wait fifteen minutes if you do, is in the service manual for the 606.

Note that when the engine is running on oil, nothing in the fuel system can shut it off. There's no magic in the 606.

Also, this car is officially called "E300" by MB. "300E" isn't quite correct, but for a '96, a 300 is a diesel.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-09-2006, 12:02 PM
Parrot of Doom's Avatar
1997 W210 E300TD 243,000
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 983
Best way to refill a 606 is through the oil filter holder. Massive great big hole, can't spill anything anywhere, and avoids the problem above.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-10-2006, 01:41 PM
AlanTbird's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: BELEN NM
Posts: 140
oil chains

Most of these guys are burger joint flunkies!
The owners pay NO money and they use swill brands of oil!
If I absolutally have to pay to get mine done I drive 10mi to a mom and pop place were the OWNER is the tech.
He knows me and knows I only use ROTELLA in the diesels and Castrol in the gassers.
I had to sue J.L. once for really screwing up one of my cars 15 years ago.
__________________
[B]AlanT
BELEN NM


93 dodge cummins truck~old reliable
01 Volvo AWD XC70 Turbo Wagon
74 450 SE on the way out!
Recent: 1972 Toronado 56k on the clock!

IF it plugs in, lights up, makes noise,
I'M ON IT!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-10-2006, 02:30 PM
sixto's Avatar
smoke gets in your eyes
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Eastern TN
Posts: 20,841
So the 606 doesn't have bucket tappets over the valves like the 603?

Sixto
93 300SD
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-10-2006, 05:06 PM
Scott98's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Weston, FL
Posts: 1,254
I always filled my 606 through the valve cover opening. Never knew about any of this. Never had a problem.

Scott
__________________
Scott
1982 Mercedes 240D, 4 speed, 275,000
1988 Porsche 944 Turbo S (70,000)
1987 Porsche 911 Coupe 109,000 (sold)
1998 Mercedes E300 TurboDiesel 147,000 (sold)
1985 Mercedes 300D 227,000 (totaled by inattentive driver with no insurance!)
1997 Mercedes E300 Diesel 236,000 (sold)
1995 Ducati 900SS (sold)
1987 VW Jetta GLI 157,000 (sold)
1986 Camaro 125,000 (sold - P.O.S.)
1977 Corvette L82 125,000 (sold)
1965 Pontiac GTO 15,000 restored (sold)
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-10-2006, 05:23 PM
greasybenz's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 2,082
Do you know if that chain lube place put a diesel rated oil in your car? They could have easily put in a gas engine oil. That was the case on the TDIclub were they put 5w30 gas engine oil in a passat TDI and it ruined the engine. Diesels require oil that can handle the soot.

__________________
Current:
05 E320 CDI
07 GL320 CDI
08 Sprinter
05 Dodge Cummins
01 Dodge Cummins

Previous
2004 E55 AMG
2002 C32 AMG (#2)
1995 E300
1978 300D
1987 300D
2002 C32 AMG(blown motor :[
1981 300SD
1983 300SD
1987 300SDL
2002 Jetta TDI
1996 S420
1995 S500
1993 190E 2.6
1992 190E 2.3
1985 190E 2.3 5-Speed
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page