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Old 11-02-2006, 09:07 PM
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Question $468 for Injector service? (installing Bosio's, etc.)

Sounds a bit high to me, but what do I know...
Here's the deal I was just quoted by 'Diesel Specialists' here in Las Vegas:

I bring in Bosio nozzles & heat shields (at my cost - not included in price) and leave the car.

Pick up later that day with Bosio's installed and everything balanced, tested, etc.

What do you think? Is $468 too high?

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Old 11-02-2006, 09:14 PM
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Can you remove them yourself and reinstall? It's easy to do...
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Old 11-02-2006, 09:19 PM
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Can you remove them yourself and reinstall? It's easy to do...
Well, I think I COULD, but I would not be able to test, balance, etc..

I am somewhat mechnically inclined - I do a lot of the maintenance work on my saxophones - but an internal combustion motor is a lot bigger and more complicated than a saxophone (and my saxophone tools are a lot smaller, too!)

What about that price - is that typical for such a thing at an indy shop like this?
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Old 11-02-2006, 09:34 PM
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Do they repair Diesel vehicles or injection pumps? Maybe it's a general repair shop charging a mark-up to farm out the work to an (hopefully) authorized Bosch service center.

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Old 11-02-2006, 09:36 PM
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$30. per injector is a reasonable cost for installing the Bosio nozzle and balancing one of them.........$180 total.

Add the cost of removing them and reinstalling them in the vehicle........$75.00......

Total cost: $255. for the job.
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Old 11-02-2006, 09:37 PM
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$30. per injector is a reasonable cost for installing the Bosio nozzle and balancing one of them.........$180 total.

Add the cost of removing them and reinstalling them in the vehicle........$75.00......

Total cost: $255. for the job.


Nono, you forgot $213 for looping return line and end plug!
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:01 PM
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but an internal combustion motor is a lot bigger and more complicated than a saxophone (and my saxophone tools are a lot smaller, too!)
not necessarily. If you're structured, steady handed, have the right tools, and of course the team of mechanics from mercedesshop.com (probably about the size of the Verizon Network) it's really not that complicated...especially the injector rebuild minus the balancing.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:01 PM
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Do they repair Diesel vehicles or injection pumps? Maybe it's a general repair shop charging a mark-up to farm out the work to an (hopefully) authorized Bosch service center.
I am sure they would do the work there - it seems to be a pretty inclusive shop - and he did say the work would be done within one day, so I doubt they would be outsourcing it.

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$30. per injector is a reasonable cost for installing the Bosio nozzle and balancing one of them.........$180 total.

Add the cost of removing them and reinstalling them in the vehicle........$75.00......

Total cost: $255. for the job.
Wow, that's significantly less than $468 - I guess I need to keep looking for someone who is REASONABLE here in Las Vegas who can help me if I cannot do it myself!

Okay - is this really something I can do myself? How important is the 'balancing, testing, etc.'? If I remove the injectors, take them apart carefully, replace the nozzles as the instructions I've seen online, and then put them back in the car - is everything going to work???

...I guess I'd need to buy a vice and some grown-up-sized tools since all my saxophone tools together will fit in a little tackle box... SEE?!?!?
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:05 PM
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How important is the 'balancing, testing, etc.'? If I remove the injectors, take them apart carefully, replace the nozzles as the instructions I've seen online, and then put them back in the car - is everything going to work???
The injector shop local to me said they would pop test mine for free, but the chance of them being out of spec is very low. YMMV
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:07 PM
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Your sax is smaller than an injector?! Must be a super soprano! :p
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:13 PM
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...I guess I'd need to buy a vice and some grown-up-sized tools since all my saxophone tools together will fit in a little tackle box... SEE?!?!?
Yes you can do it yourself. And as my brother says. You essentially get the tools for free since the money you didn't spend on the work being done for you is spent on the tools. Pretty good deal, eh?

You'll need 27mm deep socket (craftsman works), 22mm box wrench and maybe pipe for leverage (took a lot of force to get mine open), and a torque wrench. Allen wrench (5 or 6mm I think) to get charge pipe off.

Don't skimp on the torque wrench..It will last you a long time and a good one will make the work much more pleasant.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:27 PM
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...22mm box wrench and maybe pipe for leverage (took a lot of force to get mine open)...
Do you mean to get the injectors open? As in to disassamble them?

I do know this much.......... the most difficult part of this whole endeavor would not have anything to do with the actual work or the car itself....... it would be to convince my wife that I'm not going to blow up the car!
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:32 PM
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Do you mean to get the injectors open? As in to disassamble them?

I do know this much.......... the most difficult part of this whole endeavor would not have anything to do with the actual work or the car itself....... it would be to convince my wife that I'm not going to blow up the car!
I would advise you to remove the injectors from the engine, but urge you to find a shop that will properly disassemble them, install the nozzles and check their pop pressure and leakdown.

While you could change the nozzles yourself, there are some pitfalls that can occur. These include leakage past the lapped joint, and the possible need to have them balanced anyway because of improper performance once installed.

Due to your relative inexperience with this engine, the installation of the Bosios without any calibration check by an injector shop would be a real crapshoot and should be avoided.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:35 PM
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...... it would be to convince my wife that I'm not going to blow up the car!
What she doesn't know won't hurt her Send her shopping while you work on the car ... one word of caution though it might cost you more than $468 to send her shopping
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:44 PM
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Due to your relative inexperience with this engine, the installation of the Bosios without any calibration check by an injector shop would be a real crapshoot and should be avoided.
Thanks for the honesty, Brian - I have to admit I am not confident that I could actually do this myself, even though I would like to. Even though it will obviously cost more than DIY, it would be in my best interests to find someone experienced who can do the work and test them properly. I know of one other diesel shop here in Las Vegas - J&S Diesel - I'll give them a call tomorrow and see what they say. Hopefully they will not say, "Those Mercedes are pretty much just a nuisance" like they did the last time I called. Perhaps I'll try to stop by and see someone in person...

I do like the idea of pulling the injectors myself, though - I would like to know how to do that. It would probably be a good idea to check injectors periodically, especially since I am running a WVO setup - it would be nice to know if I am crudding things up with funky grease.

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....one word of caution though it might cost you more than $468 to send her shopping
There I am lucky - I do have one of the thriftiest wives on the planet. She clips coupons like there is no tomorrow and she never buys anything unless it is on super-ultra-mega-sale or has been on the clearance rack since last year!

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