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Climate control/blower problems...HELP!
I have and 82 300SD. I have no blower motor. I get heat, but the blower never comes on. I replaced the control unit twice...each time it works for about 10 minutes then nothing. As soon as I switch it off or change to another button (from defrost) nothing works. I have also replaced the blower motor relay. I'm wondering if the motor is going bad (i.e. bad bushings) and is drawing too much power and somehow frying the control unit?
What else is possible? Is there another relay I don't know about? Regardless of the temp, the defrost should work right? Is there any way to test the relays? No having a blower is getting real old. |
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Are you saying it works on defrost but nothing else? Or that it only initially works on defrost and afterwards will not work at all, including defrost?
I believe I have read on this board that a failure in the auxilliary pump of some kind will cause the pump to draw too much current and burn out the board in the control unit. Some people put a fuse in the auxilliary pump circuit to stop this problem I believe. Perhaps this is your issue.
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This problem appears to be pretty common on high mileage D's. And it may very well be the CCU board. I received a CCU from an 83 300D the other day that I got from a salvage yard. The board is enclosed in a plastic box that looks like it can be opened up but am still trying to figure out how.
The box has slits that is probably for venting. I sprayed contact cleaner thru the slits and the cleaner residue that came out looked blackish. This tells me it gets dirty in there (after 20+ years). I'm still trying to figure out how to open the box to get to the board. Someone said that the circuit board may develop cracks and open some circuits which then requires some soldering. Spraying contact clleaner maybe all it needs. The other thing I am trying to figure out is how to remove the CCU from the car. I'd like to swap the units when I figure out how to remove it. Any info would be apreciated.
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As for removing the ccu, if its the one that sits behind the bottons on the center console, then its easy to remove. |
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Have you checked the resistance level of the wiring? Yes, the Aux water pump does draw power from the CCU, that is why many people, myself included, installed a 1 amp fuse in the power circuit of the aux wp.
That chirp sounds like a capacitor when it blows. Have you tested the blower motor off of the battery? Have you also tested or unplugged the auw wp? Stiff motor bearings or soemthing preventing the motor from spinning will result in higher amp draw, which in turn will cause blown fuses or components.
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No I haven't tested the motor yet, I probably should be considering I suspect the motor. I was more going to test it for bearing play. Now I should test the aux water pump. Is it accessible where I don't have to remove anything to test it?
Some more info, the chirp I heard was clearly under the dash near the blower motor so that's my suspect. How would I test the resistors? Where are they located? What values should I be looking for? |
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probably easier to test the auxilliary pump, particularly since it is known to cause this problem. should be easily accessible if it's anything like the 123.
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1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 |
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I believe that both the blower motor and the auxiliary water pump motor are powered through the CCU. I would test both of them before installing another CCU.
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The blower motor is powered independently of the CCU.
However, the aux. water pump is a common failure and it will take out the CCU if it does not rotate. Don't ask how I know this. If the aux. pump is not turning, it will burn the circuit board on every CCU that you put in there. So, you must go and remove the aux. pump and test it with 12V. It's located between the two firewalls. The easiest way to get it out is to remove the section of the forward firewall to give you some room to work. If you remove the firewall section, you can have the pump out in less than 30 minutes. Test it with 12V and ground. If it does not rotate, you've found your problem. BTW, you'll need another CCU. |
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Sam 84 300SD 350K+ miles ( Blue Belle ) Last edited by Brian Carlton; 12-16-2006 at 03:39 PM. |
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I have tested the aux coolant pumps on three of my mb's and none of them are working. They wont do anything, but the ccu is functioning properly on them all. Are the mb gods smiling on me? I dont want to tempt the gods so I disconnected them for now.
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I bought an aftermarket pump and it lasted 6 months. Then, the monovalve started making some loud and steady knocking sounds.........a clear sign of problems with voltage from the pump. Unplug the pump and the problem goes away. Another example of aftermarket junk. |
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