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Old 01-03-2007, 02:16 AM
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Angry What the heck?? another "no start" issue

ok, i know proabbly everyone is sick of hearing about these no starts. But i figured id post it cause it was somewhat unusual. So its about 35 degrees here. no bigge, ive started the 300D in colder conditions. i went over to my friends hosue at around 12pm and was thier until about 12 am, the whole time we used her car. so 12am rolls around and we call it a night. So i hope in the 300 expecting it to turnover and start. .. how wrong was i. so started my "endless cranking" i even put the car into netural expecting the netural safty switch. that wasnt it. The "odd" part was that it didnt even make the sound like it was going to start. it was just "womp womp womp womp". the light was doing its normal 10-15 sec rounds. i even glowed like 10 times once and tried to start it. and still no sign it was thinking about comming to life. the bad part about all this was that my cell broke today cause i droped it cause i was gonna call mercedes road side, and see what they would do, just to test it out. Luckly my friend was in her room and heard my car struggling. so she came out and i did the last resourt and went to the store and bought a bottle of starting fluid. when i got back, tryed cranking it agian, and even glowed it a bunch more to try to start it. so i broke down and used the starting fluid. and "bang bang bang klunk lunk klunk" and she came to life. its so embarasing cause she lives in a wealthy neighborhood and it was so loud. but i had to cause i needed to get back home... Anythought??? i'm going to test the Glow plugs tomorrow, but i dont think thats the culperate cause the GP light did a normal cylce. uhhh the joys of diesels in the winter.


funny thing is i started my Euro 240D today. it hasnt been started in like 2 weeks, and glowed once cranked the usual 2-3 seconds and she sprang to life just fine.

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Old 01-03-2007, 08:05 AM
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It does sound like glow plugs.......
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:44 AM
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Probably a glow plug or two burnt out. The only other thing I can think of is to leave your friend every four hours and restart and warm up the car until you fix it. Most diesels will retain enough heat at the four hour cycle to restart. I do not think the fuel is gelling on you yet as usually most diesels will start, run for a few minutes and quit. I guess they would not start at all with extreme gelling but that was not cold enough I think.
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:37 AM
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I bet GPs too. I've had one plug out and have had a real hard time starting in the cold, and the light showed do difference with one out. So I can imagine it not starting if you have a bad plug.
Also when is the last time you adjusted the valves that might help the cold starts. Thinner oil would help too.
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Old 01-03-2007, 12:01 PM
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Could be the glow plug relay, or the strip fuse inside it. Even with a couple bad plugs, you should get ignition in some cylinders (the ones with working glow plugs) at 30 degrees. No ignition at all suggests that none of the plugs are energizing.
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Old 01-03-2007, 12:32 PM
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Visit Diesel Giant's GP Repair site. It will walk you through the GP system and help you find the issue.
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Old 01-03-2007, 12:53 PM
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I bet GPs too. I've had one plug out and have had a real hard time starting in the cold, and the light showed do difference with one out. So I can imagine it not starting if you have a bad plug.
Also when is the last time you adjusted the valves that might help the cold starts. Thinner oil would help too.
last valve adjmustment was 1 or 2 months ago. Yea im going to check the GP right now.
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Old 01-03-2007, 01:24 PM
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WHALA!! the strip fuse on top is broken. even if its broken, would that still alow the GP light on the dash to come on?? also were do u get another one of those fuses? i think i have an old relay around here somewhere.
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Old 01-03-2007, 01:36 PM
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Phil at FastLane can get you a strip fuse
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Old 01-03-2007, 01:49 PM
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Phil at FastLane can get you a strip fuse
now the only question is, why did that blow? dose this usually happen? or is thier a short somewhere causing it to blow?
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Most of the time they just fatigue out. Constant stress of operation over thousands of cycles. On some occasions. If a glow plug develops a total short the current would become too much for the strip fuse. If you are curious just unplug the glow plug harness and read each plug. All should read the same pretty well with none at total zero ohms. Last week a fellow had an intermittent fuse failure problem because his glow harness was bare somewhere and shorting out once in a while. That was a 603 Though I believe.
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Old 01-03-2007, 05:57 PM
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i did that a little bit ago. all read around 2ohms and the 5th read 3ohms. so those are looking fine. the fuse actully melted back and seperated. But im thinking it was just a really old fuse. i have the new fuse comming in tomorrow from the MB stealership by my house at a cost of 1.35 ill keep ya posted
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Old 01-03-2007, 06:33 PM
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That may be consistant with general fatigue of the fuse strip. As it starts to crack the area remaining to conduct the high amperage become less and less. At some point it would be normal to melt from the excess current carried over the a small remaining area.
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:14 PM
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welp, this is gonna be a PITA!!! put the new fuse in today, cranked, and nothing but cranking, looked at the fuse, and its kinda melted, etc. not to mention the fact of getting the fuse in was a pita, cause i kept accidentaly touching the side and sparks were flying. now the bolt got cross thread. mehh oh well. but now i gotta hunt down this short, and see why the relay keeps melting the fuse. uhhhg. at least its nice for a couple days, i can drive my 240D.
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:31 PM
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Well you MUST have a short. There should not be any voltage at the fuse when the glow plugs are not on. Sparks should not occur.

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