Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #46  
Old 01-26-2007, 09:54 PM
truckinik's Avatar
And I only had one lesson
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Clearwater Beach, Florida
Posts: 1,022
Hey listen, I didn't even have any idea these things were even vac, until reading this thread. I always thought they were just mechanical, or electric like a every other manufacturers car. What kinda moron even uses vac. on thing like door locks anyways?
After reading this thread I got curious as hell about mine, so I sent my father out to the garage to try it out. He got the right car, because it's the only MBZ i keep at his house. He's not stupid. The car hasn't been touched in four years or more by anyone because no one else would have any reason to. Unfortunately I'm 2900 miles from home right now. I asked a simple question, and only wanted a simple answer. Maybe cd of that year, or quarter of year, or whatever, has a different set-up of some sort. I don't know. I was asking you. If you don't know the answer, either tell me you don't know, or don't respond at all. You have no right to discredit, or make fun of me though. I asked a question because I'm trying to learn more about the way these cars are built,and the way the systems work. I don't know why it's working either and I didn't expect it too after reading into this thread.

Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 01-26-2007, 10:54 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Posts: 6,510
Human error is common. It has to be a consideration. It has nothing to do with being stupid. From your additional information it has to be a mechanical system.
The common vacuum system on this car is somewhat troublesome. That is what every example of 123 mercedes models from 1977to1985 I have ever seen have. I have also seen tons of them. That is also why I wondered if your car was manufactured originally for shipment to a different country and just landed up here somehow. The russian website is real and I would go there with the vin # as it may answer your questions.
I very much doubt if any member has one with your set up. It is that rare here. Although another member remembers seeing one before. Again I suspect it is the standard model for shipment to one country only I believe or one specific area of the world only.
If you do not know the actual history of the car someone might have brought it home with them. It still might have been sold here new just as easily. I think you are also correct in that we might not know the real answer. It may involve some research on your part to get. But before that try to find out if there are other differences as well with your car or just the door locks. Example, get a picture of one. Are your bumpers the same as a north american model? How about the Headlights? These items could have been changed to meet north american requirements when the car entered the country. If the interior has cloth seats they would have been left in. Only real leather and simulated leather vinyltex was sold here to the best of my knowledge. Do you have a roadside reflective triangle in your trunk? These were standard on models either sold or picked up in europe only I thought. As I said you might want to do a little research into your car. Could be a middle east varient for example as rubber components in the vacuum system might have deteriated too fast to allow them there. The research could be very interesting or it just might have been a north american model with a possible production error. Mercedes even occasionally does some strange things as well.

Last edited by barry123400; 01-26-2007 at 11:00 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 01-26-2007, 11:06 PM
JimmyL's Avatar
Rogue T Intolerant!!!
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sunnyvale, Texas (DFW)
Posts: 9,675
Quote:
Originally Posted by truckinik View Post
Hey listen, I didn't even have any idea these things were even vac, until reading this thread. I always thought they were just mechanical, or electric like a every other manufacturers car. What kinda moron even uses vac. on thing like door locks anyways?
After reading this thread I got curious as hell about mine, so I sent my father out to the garage to try it out. He got the right car, because it's the only MBZ i keep at his house. He's not stupid. The car hasn't been touched in four years or more by anyone because no one else would have any reason to. Unfortunately I'm 2900 miles from home right now. I asked a simple question, and only wanted a simple answer. Maybe cd of that year, or quarter of year, or whatever, has a different set-up of some sort. I don't know. I was asking you. If you don't know the answer, either tell me you don't know, or don't respond at all. You have no right to discredit, or make fun of me though. I asked a question because I'm trying to learn more about the way these cars are built,and the way the systems work. I don't know why it's working either and I didn't expect it too after reading into this thread.
I'm not sure why you got so twisted off over this thread, and the questions of your car. We are MB dorks, and you appear to have had something very unusual happen with your CD. That creates interest with us, and we probe with further questions or ideas or statements.
I did not find anything rude, just folks who fine the scenario interesting.
Thicken that skin, and help us solve this mystery. Some of us will lie in bed awake longer than normal because we are considering possible causes.
Understand?
__________________
Jimmy L.
'05 Acura TL 6MT
2001 ML430 My Spare

Gone:
'95 E300 188K "Batmobile" Texas Unfriendly Black
'85 300TD 235K "The Wagon" Texas Friendly White
'80 240D 154K "China" Scar engine installed
'81 300TD 240K "Smash"
'80 240D 230K "The Squash"
'81 240D 293K"Scar" Rear ended harder than Elton John
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 01-27-2007, 01:01 AM
truckinik's Avatar
And I only had one lesson
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Clearwater Beach, Florida
Posts: 1,022
I understand, and thank you. I just was a little confused I guess. Sorry I went off on you guys like that. The flip lock on the inside door handles or the car are much like the ones found on a Honda, or other Japanese car. It is also virtually impossible to lock the key in the car. The passenger door, can be locked from the inside, but the drivers door can be locked from the inside, only if the door is closed. You cannot flip the lock shut, if the drivers door is opened. The only way to lock the car is by locking the passenger door, and locking the drivers door, from the outside, with the key. I don't know the history of the car before 1999 when I bought it w/ 74,000 miles on it from a dealer, in East-Hartford, Ct. for $5000.00 in showroom mint condition, and aparently un-molested as far as I could tell. The bumpers are same as U.S. cars,Yet it does have triangles in the trunk,and first aid kit on deck lid. It is a fully loaded car, with real leather. The dash is in english, and mph prevail on the speedo. The car had U.S. lighting on it, but I put round euro's in it about five years ago. The car has rear defogger, like I've never seen on anything else. It is invisible, not like a lot of the U.S. cars I've seen. She's in silver with black interior, and a 79 non turbo 300CD. Far as I can tell she's been un-molested, but who knows? I've always just thought that was the way they all came. I saw a lot w/door locks up top, but just thought that they might have been a different year car. They all look the same. My two 79's, 81, 85, and 83 300 cd's are all only different in a few ways aside from colors,turbo's,and some other things like, the door locks. This one 79 though,has the odd door locks and all the rest have them on top of the door. I just figured it was something they might have changed,half year or something. This 79 is an April car, my other two are practically 1980 cars w/ d.o.b.'s in July,and September. I'm kinda curious now,and will send you guys pics as soon as I get home to take them. Right now I'm in Salt Lake city,Utah for meetings on monday morning w/clients. Anyone from the area wnts to hang out over the weekend while I'm here just let me know via the forum or p.m. me. How many members are in the Salt Lake City, Utah area ? I'm at Sapp Bros. off of exit 21, on the west side of the 215 loop.~Nick

Last edited by truckinik; 01-27-2007 at 01:11 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 01-27-2007, 01:05 AM
JimmyL's Avatar
Rogue T Intolerant!!!
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sunnyvale, Texas (DFW)
Posts: 9,675
We look forward to getting to the bottom of this, and I'm glad you know that we are just interested.
Sounds like you might kinda like the Cd's.......
__________________
Jimmy L.
'05 Acura TL 6MT
2001 ML430 My Spare

Gone:
'95 E300 188K "Batmobile" Texas Unfriendly Black
'85 300TD 235K "The Wagon" Texas Friendly White
'80 240D 154K "China" Scar engine installed
'81 300TD 240K "Smash"
'80 240D 230K "The Squash"
'81 240D 293K"Scar" Rear ended harder than Elton John
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old 01-27-2007, 01:30 AM
H-townbenzoboy's Avatar
Now Y2K Compliant
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,338
Wait a minute, doesn't Mercedes-Benz Roadside Assistance open locked doors for free?
__________________
'81 MB 300SD, '82 MB 300D Turbo (sold/RIP), '04 Lincoln Town Car Ultimate

Sooner or later every car falls apart, ours does it later!
-German Narrator in a MB Promotion Film about the then brand new W123.
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 01-27-2007, 08:36 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: MA, VA
Posts: 363
You can apply pressure to open the doors. I found this out when I locked myself out too. I was stuck the the parking lot and my driver's side door lock tumbler broke so the key just turned from side to side. The passenger's side on this car was broken when I got it and I have not fixed it yet. I opened the trunk, which still worked, pulled out the vacuum lines, and opened the car.

I learned this when testing my vacuum system a while back- there are two lines, a lock line and an unlock line. The lock line can be used for both unlocking and locking. If you apply vacuum to the lock line, the car locks. If you apply pressure to the lock line, you unlock the car. I was able to use mouth-to-hose on my vacuum system to get it unlocked, as I don't have a vacuum pump (yet). If you just apply pressure to the locking line the car will open right up.
__________________
Andrew

1989 Volvo 745- 202K
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 01-27-2007, 08:42 AM
t walgamuth's Avatar
dieselarchitect
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Lafayette Indiana
Posts: 38,611
truckinik, when you unlocked your drivers door the passenger door and trunk didnt lock and unlock automatically did they?

this is what folks thought you meant.

i did not read it that way. i assumed you just meant the door lock worked fine.

tom w
__________________
[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 01-27-2007, 09:40 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 80
Angry replacement keys via mercedes

I have lost the keys to my 85 300CD.

My local Mercedes Dealer, Newsomes Automotive in Florence, SC informs me that if I provide the vehicle registration they will apply for another key for me. Great! If the vehicle was registered.

According to Newsomes it's a MBUSA Directive that Titles do not count the vehicle MUST be registered????
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 01-27-2007, 03:42 PM
truckinik's Avatar
And I only had one lesson
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Clearwater Beach, Florida
Posts: 1,022
All unlocks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by t walgamuth View Post
truckinik, when you unlocked your drivers door the passenger door and trunk didnt lock and unlock automatically did they?

this is what folks thought you meant.

i did not read it that way. i assumed you just meant the door lock worked fine.

tom w
When I unlock the drivers door, all the rest unlock also. Passenger door, and trunk included. Amazing, based on what I've learned from you guys in this thread so far. I cannot believe that after four+ years of sitting in the garage, untouched as I said, that any of it worked at all. The car is in showroom mint condition everywhere as it is. I bought it w/low mileage on it, and put some more on it. It still has pretty low mileage though, at almost 138,000.It's been sitting because I lost interest in the car all together, and just parked it. Good thing I get attached to my vehicles, or it would have been gone a long time ago. Now, since getting back into Mercedes, I can't wait to get home, and get it all squared away, and drive it. That's something I'll always be thankful for from you all. You've re-lit the flame for me, and these cars. I'd hate myself now if I had gotten rid of it before. Instead, I've also purchased a number of additional 300CD's, since joining up here. The reason I joined at all was because I purchased my 560 car, and was just looking to do some research on the car. Where it has taken me now, is a very fun, and positive thing. GLAD TO BE BACK !!
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 01-27-2007, 04:00 PM
truckinik's Avatar
And I only had one lesson
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Clearwater Beach, Florida
Posts: 1,022
Love the CD's!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyL View Post
We look forward to getting to the bottom of this, and I'm glad you know that we are just interested.
Sounds like you might kinda like the Cd's.......
Oh yes, the CD's are gods gift to me.
I got into them when I bought my first 79 (this particular car,in fact) with the intention of putting a small block chevy in it, and a six speed stick, to make a seeper out of it. That never happened w/this car because I fell in love with it the way it was. I later did the conversion to the other 79 i have, which wasn't in as nice shape when I picked it up.
I just love the body style, and even though I have real sports cars, still think of them as sporty. Not at all by comparison to my 89 Lambo' Countach, or 88 560SEC,AMG EURO,but sporty in their own little way, none the less. The cars just grab my attention as two doors, and I wish i could find, and purchase every last CD out there sometimes, and keep them all to myself. I hope someday to be the leading authority on CD's for cars, and knowledge. I'm afraid I've jumped in the pool a little late for that though. The CD will always be my fav. over even the SEC cars. I'm putting my 89 300CE for sale very soon, just to make some room for the CD I just purchased from Austin,Texas. This is 79 number three for me. Will be looking for 10-12 thousand for the CE. The car is a flawless, low mileage, loaded car, and should bring in that much w/o a problem. I've got a very serious interested party already, and it may never make advertisment at all.
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 01-27-2007, 05:27 PM
Hatterasguy's Avatar
Zero
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Milford, CT
Posts: 19,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by a52daveh View Post
I have lost the keys to my 85 300CD.

My local Mercedes Dealer, Newsomes Automotive in Florence, SC informs me that if I provide the vehicle registration they will apply for another key for me. Great! If the vehicle was registered.

According to Newsomes it's a MBUSA Directive that Titles do not count the vehicle MUST be registered????
Title should be enough, sounds like the dealer is just dumb.
__________________
1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 01-27-2007, 08:12 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Posts: 6,510
Hit man, If you have not got into that car yet just post your address. One of us will drop by and open it up for you. What brand and model aftermarket sterio do you have in there? Cd?mp3 player? Sub woofer? Radar detector? I am becoming very concerned as well about not hearing from you. You might have locked yourself in the trunk by accident. Or you have somehow managed to get in and cannot find a way to break out.....

Last edited by barry123400; 01-27-2007 at 08:23 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 01-28-2007, 11:05 PM
Johnhef's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frederick, Md
Posts: 4,540
Quote:
Originally Posted by truckinik View Post
The flip lock on the inside door handles or the car are much like the ones found on a Honda, or other Japanese car.

The car has rear defogger, like I've never seen on anything else. It is invisible, not like a lot of the U.S. cars I've seen.
Thats just how the coupes are. The door lock knobs are the flip type in the side of the door itself, not on top of the door. It's still a vacuum system. The rear defoggers on coupes have the very thin close vertical lines, not like the wide spaced horzontal lines on sedans and wagons.
__________________


1980 500SE/AMG Euro
1981 500SEL Euro
1982 380SEL
1983 300TD
1983 500SEC/AMG Euro
1984 500SEC
1984 300TD Euro
1986 190E 2.3-16
1986 190E 2.3
1987 300D
1997 C36 AMG
2003 C320T 4matic

past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 01-28-2007, 11:10 PM
vstech's Avatar
DD MOD, HVAC,MCP,Mac,GMAC
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mount Holly, NC
Posts: 26,835
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnhef View Post
Thats just how the coupes are. The door lock knobs are the flip type in the side of the door itself, not on top of the door. It's still a vacuum system. The rear defoggers on coupes have the very thin close vertical lines, not like the wide spaced horzontal lines on sedans and wagons.
like the SD I suppose! (the defroster, not the door locks) cool, just another few reasons to get a CD!
John

__________________
John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page