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Old 02-22-2007, 03:58 AM
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Starting without starter?

Is there a way to start the engine without the use of the starter?

On manual transmission cars I'm told that you can "push start" the car.

But what about an automatic MB?

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Old 02-22-2007, 04:39 AM
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Do you still have the owners manual? It tells you exactly the correct way to do it.

If you don't, the quick-n-dirty summary is this: Turn on the key to unlock the steering, place the transmission into N, tow to 30mph, turn the key all the way on to energize the glowplugs, shift into D until the engine starts, and shift back into N.

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Old 02-22-2007, 10:37 AM
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My '87 manual says shift to 2nd.
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Old 02-22-2007, 01:36 PM
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My '87 manual says shift to 2nd.
So does mine.

It also says "tow vehicle to speed of approx 15mph, move gear selector into the "S" or "2" position with the key in the #2 "run" position, and the engine will start.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:34 PM
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Never saw anyone starting an automatic that way. If you could put it on jack stands and have some rub type device to roll the back wheels that could work.
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Old 02-22-2007, 05:40 PM
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Has anyone actually done a roll start with an auto trans?
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Old 02-22-2007, 05:43 PM
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ya. I just rolled it down the hill in front of my place.
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Old 02-22-2007, 06:05 PM
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The early trans' had a rear pump...so they can be bump/tow started....although your'll need to get up to 30 mph to make it happen in the cold.
If you tow one....it will feel like you hit deep sand when the '2' loads up the engine.

You need a HEAVY chain or rope....a thin one will snap like wet spaghetti
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Old 02-22-2007, 10:38 PM
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Why would you ever need to actually attempt to push start an automatic? That should be your last option and then only if stranded in the Dakar. There are 28,300 shops listed for starter repair or parts in Raleigh, NC.

Please find A SAFER, SMARTER way.
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Old 02-23-2007, 12:44 AM
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Please find A SAFER, SMARTER way.
But where is the fun in that?
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Old 02-23-2007, 12:59 AM
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The early trans' had a rear pump...so they can be bump/tow started....although your'll need to get up to 30 mph to make it happen in the cold.
If you tow one....it will feel like you hit deep sand when the '2' loads up the engine.

You need a HEAVY chain or rope....a thin one will snap like wet spaghetti
And a strong towing car (torque), A geo metro will not suffice, it'd probably just drag it to a stop. (and no engine start )
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:09 AM
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Stick a big iron bar into the starter motor socket, and turn it over at high speed just like the old films
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Old 02-23-2007, 10:18 AM
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I have tow-started my 87 300D when the nylon ring gear in the starter blew up last spring. I was in Central WV on my way from NJ to TN when the starter gave up the ghost. Of course it was on a Sunday morning in the middle of nowhere and there was little if any chance of finding a parts store that had the starter in stock.

I used a "stretch" tow line hooked up to a SUV to get the car to about 25mph, placed the car in "2", and she started right up.

I did not shut the car off until I got home (good thing I had an extra key with me)

I have also push started my 240D with a manual transmission when the battery died. I got it up to about 5 or 10 mph and then let the clutch out with the tranny in 2nd gear. It started right up.

When the 240 is warm, it will start in 1st gear if you get it rolling about 1 mph.
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Old 02-23-2007, 08:01 PM
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Please find A SAFER, SMARTER way.
If you have a battery thats going bad not all these cars out there today can jumpstart a 3 liter with 21:1 compression.
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Old 02-23-2007, 10:51 PM
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If you have a battery thats going bad not all these cars out there today can jumpstart a 3 liter with 21:1 compression.
I actually experienced that with a guy in a minivan that help me jump start the 300SD.
He had to over-rev the MPV to get the starter even moving. The battery was a tiny 7"cube. I would not ask a Geo metro driver to help me start these diesels.

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