Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-02-2007, 08:34 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 15
300sdl driveability problem

My buddy just got one, when you accelerate easily, it is great. When you accelerate hard, around 3000-2500 rpm, it surges the whole time you hold your foot to the floor, when you let off, it drives great. We changed both fuel filters, and replaced the o rings on the ip because they were leaking. WE did two cans of diesel purge mainlined into IP. It still does it. Any ideas???

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-02-2007, 09:28 PM
deanot442's Avatar
Diesel Dean
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Canterbury CT
Posts: 204
Could be a boost issue. Are your boost sensing lines clear? How about your waste gate valve, or maybe the alda. Just a thought :-)
__________________
Dean
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-02-2007, 09:30 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Blue Point, NY
Posts: 25,396
Can you define "surges" a bit better?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-02-2007, 09:51 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 15
surging as in if you were sitting in a chair, and lunged your head forward, than quickly backward multiple times, that is how it feels.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-02-2007, 10:02 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Blue Point, NY
Posts: 25,396
Quote:
Originally Posted by greasegeek View Post
surging as in if you were sitting in a chair, and lunged your head forward, than quickly backward multiple times, that is how it feels.
What would be the frequency of said surging?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-02-2007, 10:10 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 15
constantly, every second
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-02-2007, 10:26 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Blue Point, NY
Posts: 25,396
Quote:
Originally Posted by greasegeek View Post
constantly, every second
So, would you say that the frequency is 60 cycles per minute?

That's quite slow........and doesn't correspond to anything in the engine when it's running at 2500 rpm.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-02-2007, 10:30 PM
Registered Diesel Burner
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 2,911
Possibly a fuel delivery problem from the tank. How freely did fuel flow when changing out the primary filter? A clogged fuel strainer in the tank would be one of the less expensive problems that could happen. Hopefully it is nothing wrong with your injection pump.

Ken300D
__________________
--------------------------
1982 300D at 351K miles
1984 300SD at 217K miles
1987 300D at 370K miles
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-02-2007, 10:33 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Blue Point, NY
Posts: 25,396
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken300D View Post
Possibly a fuel delivery problem from the tank. How freely did fuel flow when changing out the primary filter? A clogged fuel strainer in the tank would be one of the less expensive problems that could happen. Hopefully it is nothing wrong with your injection pump.

Ken300D
A clogged strainer won't cause surging. It will prevent the engine from producing any power and will cause a loping and slow idle.........but.........not surging.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-02-2007, 10:34 PM
TheDon's Avatar
Ghost of Diesels Past
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 13,285
transmission perhaps.. I know when my transmission gets low on fluid it will do something like he describes when shifting from 1st to second. Thus requiring me to let off the go pedal for it to shift.. It only happened to me twice since I've had the car..
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-02-2007, 10:38 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 15
yes, 60 cycles per second. I ran the motor on 1/2 gallon of diesel purge to dispel any idea of fuel or tank trouble, it did the same. It does idle quiter now, though!! maybe clogging injector cause fuel delivery problem??????????????
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-02-2007, 10:41 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Blue Point, NY
Posts: 25,396
Quote:
Originally Posted by greasegeek View Post
yes, 60 cycles per second. I ran the motor on 1/2 gallon of diesel purge to dispel any idea of fuel or tank trouble, it did the same. It does idle quiter now, though!! maybe clogging injector cause fuel delivery problem??????????????
Ok, now first you state that the frequency is "every second".

Then, when asked if the frequency is 60 cycles per minute, you respond with "60 cycles per second".

This would be "3600 cycles per minute" and match very closely to engine rpm.

So, what have you got...........if you know???

Diagnosis is impossible without good data..........so, don't guess.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-02-2007, 10:52 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 15
sorry typo, 60 per minute
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-02-2007, 10:55 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Blue Point, NY
Posts: 25,396
Quote:
Originally Posted by greasegeek View Post
sorry typo, 60 per minute
If you are sure about that data, we can rule out anything that's engine related..........which leaves a definite quandry.........
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-02-2007, 11:03 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 463
IIWM, I would switch fuel lines from in to out, or run off some fuel in a jug under the hood, just to be sure to rule out a tank delivery issue. My tank screen clogged really bad, and the symptom was more like "bogging" rather than surging--low power across the band with no real bucking. But what the heck, it's an easy thing to do.

I'd also get a boost guage and bypass the overboost switch (or whatever they call that thing) on the firewall.

Could a sticky wastegate or overboost solenoid cause "surging"?

__________________

1998 E300D, 287k, barely broken in.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page