are the injectors of the 617 and 603 (i think it is a 603 (inline 6 turbo with a cross flow heard on a 300D turbo)) the same?

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-Trevor

OBK #12
1980 300SD 333,XXX miles - Totaled
1986 Mazda RX-7 212,XXX miles - impounded and auctioned off
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited 33,000- SEGR, Provent, Fumoto

nope

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1967 250 S
1967 280SE
1968 250S
1971 280 SE
1973 220
1974 280 S
1975 450 SEL
1976 220 D
1979 300SD
1983 300 SD
1985 230 TE euro
1986 280SL
1986 500 SEL euro
1986 190E 2.3
1990 300 SE
2003 C230 K
2004 C230 K
1987 560SEL
1987 300SDL now in canada
2005 C230
1998 C43 AMG Sold to DON
1993 190E 2.6
300TD Former daily driver Totaled
current:
R320 CDI
Ram 2500 Cummins

do you know the differences?

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-Trevor

OBK #12
1980 300SD 333,XXX miles - Totaled
1986 Mazda RX-7 212,XXX miles - impounded and auctioned off
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited 33,000- SEGR, Provent, Fumoto

i think they are actually smaller in diameter, i just put a set on ebay for the 617 if you need them, they are bosch remans

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=170120084098&rd=1,1

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1967 250 S
1967 280SE
1968 250S
1971 280 SE
1973 220
1974 280 S
1975 450 SEL
1976 220 D
1979 300SD
1983 300 SD
1985 230 TE euro
1986 280SL
1986 500 SEL euro
1986 190E 2.3
1990 300 SE
2003 C230 K
2004 C230 K
1987 560SEL
1987 300SDL now in canada
2005 C230
1998 C43 AMG Sold to DON
1993 190E 2.6
300TD Former daily driver Totaled
current:
R320 CDI
Ram 2500 Cummins

i actually was at the puck-n-pull and saw a 603 with the engine intact so i started grabbing things people might need. i thought if the injectors were the same i would use them but since they are not i am going to let them go with the hardlines that i got too.

*edit*
I would like an extra set around but i don't know if i can swing the cost.

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-Trevor

OBK #12
1980 300SD 333,XXX miles - Totaled
1986 Mazda RX-7 212,XXX miles - impounded and auctioned off
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited 33,000- SEGR, Provent, Fumoto

how much do want for them

Definitely different, different part numbers as well.
Plus there are 6 of them in the 603, the 617 has only 5.

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DJ


84 300D Turbodiesel 190K with 4 speed manual sold in 03/2012

The threat is different: 60x are bolt directly into the prechamber, 617 are bolt into a nut that fixes the prechamber. For this reason the 60x injectors have the threat lower.
But the nozzles can be used, just take them out and put them into the 617 injector body.
They are different but will fit. Pop pressure and spray check needed. The hard lines are interchangeable after bending but does not give any change.

Tom

i have a brand new set of bosch injectors for a 617. PM me with a $$ offer, ill take what i can get.

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05 E320 CDI
07 GL320 CDI
08 Sprinter
05 Dodge Cummins
01 Dodge Cummins

Previous
2004 E55 AMG
2002 C32 AMG (#2)
1995 E300
1978 300D
1987 300D
2002 C32 AMG(blown motor :[
1981 300SD
1983 300SD
1987 300SDL
2002 Jetta TDI
1996 S420
1995 S500
1993 190E 2.6
1992 190E 2.3
1985 190E 2.3 5-Speed

The nozzles are different and not interchangeable. The OM616/OM617 engines use the 240/ nozzles with a tiny hole in the tip of the pintle, whereas the OM603 engines use the 265 nozzles with elongated pintles and no holes.

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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual)

Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL

The OM617 uses two types of nozzles, Three if you include the G wagen 4X4 vehicle version....

The first and oldest is the DNOSD220, side-cut Pintle-nozzle...

Second and most popular is the DNOSD240/A central-hole nozzle...

G Wagen version uses the DNOSD261 Side-Cut Throttling-Pintle nozzle, Just like the OM-602 and OM-603 N/A engines....

The '261 is a great choice for the '617, as it adds just a little more low-end torque....

The DNOSD265 is a VW Polo/Golf/'Rabbit'?? Nozzle, not normally associated with M.B. in Europe anyway!

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W123, 1985 300TD Wagon, 256K,
-Most recent M.B. purchase, Cost-a-plenty, Gulps BioDiesel extravagantly, and I love it like an old dog.

W114, 1975 280E Custard Yellow,
-Great above decks needs chassis welding--Really will do it this year....

the info on the side:
BOSCH germany(some image in a circle) 651
(060)KCA30S44 435bar

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-Trevor

OBK #12
1980 300SD 333,XXX miles - Totaled
1986 Mazda RX-7 212,XXX miles - impounded and auctioned off
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited 33,000- SEGR, Provent, Fumoto

I believe the 220 nozzles have been superseded by the 240/ nozzles. I'm not familiar with the 261 nozzle, but the 265 nozzle is used in the OM603 turbo which you never got in Europe.

BTW does anyone know which nozzle type the OM606 engine uses? I had to order the whole injectors anyway because they don't sell the individual nozzles for this engine, but I wonder if they are the 265 type as well.

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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual)

Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL

Ok, but here's a question, if the 265 nozzle will fit in a 617 injector, wouldn't it be advantageous to do this for more power?

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-Matt

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1982 300SD Turbo Diesel (231,500 miles!) RIP

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I've been told the flow rate is different it may cause some problems. I once did this the other way, putting the 240/ nozzles in an OM603. The engine ran slightly quieter but it smoked more on acceleration.

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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual)

Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL