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Any advice for rebuilding a vacuum pump?
Folks, about every other month, for a few days at a time, I will lose most of my vacuum, causing the brakes to be very hard, and causing me to sometimes have to open the hood to turn off the engine. I have sealed off the driver's compartment from the vacuum system, so it is not a leak in the doors. I have been told that there are some valves in the vacuum pump that are not working correctly, and that is causing the problem. My question is this:
How much of a hassle is it to rebuild or replace the vacuum pump? It is my understanding that I will need to remove the radiator, and that perhaps a kit exists that would allow me to rebuild the vacuum pump. Does anyone else have any experience with this, and is it a relatively easy and straightforward task? Thanks so much in advance! |
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You can remove the nipple while the pump is still in place. I would suggest that be your first step. You will probably find that the check valve components have dropped into the pump inlet. |
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I concur, tangofox told me that and despite my skepticism, was quite correct. Not sure I could have extracted the little valve parts but they are probably blocking the intake valve and you might be able to fish them out. I rebuilt mine because I had a kit on hand. It wasn't difficult, but you have to build a little stand and follow the DYI instructions.
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Just sent you an email with links to some pics.
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You don't say which car, but the intermittent nature of it tells me the odds are you just need to buy this part:
http://catalog.worldpac.com/mercedesshop/sophio/wizard.jsp?partner=mercedesshop&clientid=catalog.mercedesshop&baseurl=http://catalog.peachparts.com/&cookieid=26W03483526W034VKV&year=1983&make=MB&model=300-DT-001&category=All&part=Vacuum+Pump+Check+Valve
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Pselaphid and all others:
Thanks so much for your advice and replies! Do these check valves just thread into the body of the vacuum pump, and thus theoretically I could loosen the vacuum line, then unbolt the check valve and replace it without messing with the vacuum pump? The pictures that Pselaphid sent me make the rebuild job look a little daunting! Thanks again for your help |
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So that we don't make invalid assumptions, could you tell us what car we are dealing with? Last edited by tangofox007; 09-28-2007 at 08:58 AM. |
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Yes, you can replace the valve w/o removing the pump.
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Need to know the model and year. Early 123 pumps are rebuildable on the engine by just removing fan blade and shroud. Takes about an hour. Later models are different. I'd replace the diapragm if I was going to disassemble it far enough to replace the check valves.
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I rebuilt mine. I didn't need the test stand. I didn't have any problems before, I just removed the pump to get to the timing chain and other parts. The person who sold me this car had problems with his vac pump. He had to replace the check valve. I swap him mine for one he had on order. So, I'd pull the check valve and see if there is any damage to it. There was oil back to my brake booster. It was replaced. As I remember, I took a scocket and placed it underneathe the pump on the bearing and pushed down. Both during dissasembly and reassembly.
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Folks, thanks again for all your help and advice. I don't think I'm up to messing with the timing chain - Does anyone know how much a rebuilt vacuum pump might cost?
By the way, this is for a 1983 300D Thanks so much again! Last edited by rfdillon; 09-28-2007 at 08:24 PM. |
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Again, can't answer without year and model. The 617 engine had two different vacuum pumps, an early and late. Early one is a simple rebuild, later requires more work.
If you can't give the year and model, does the pump have a line going over to the air filter?
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I'm sorry, I thought I had mentioned that it is a 1983 300D Turbo Diesel.
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It's the later pump which is more difficult to rebuild.
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Anyways, here's a link: http://diymbrepair.com/easley/Rebuild_vac_pump.htm Might bookmark it. I didn't built the fixture. I placed a block of steel or a socket underneathe and pressed down. I'd check the bearing, if its damaged (ie bearing balls not equally spaced or look damaged) then but a new pump. That assembly is like $175 or more. Add the rebuild kit ($50 I think) and the check valve ($40 or so). I think a new pump with the new style bearing is $250-$300. I'd look at the check valve first, then the hose from the brake booster to it. Tom |
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