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Old 11-06-2007, 05:13 PM
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VW vs MB Diesel

Hi guys (and gals)...I'd like, and value your input in deciding between a VW Beetle, 73 in great condition or a 300CD, 83 in pretty good shape. [Both German made ] Prices are compatible. It's been suggested that I go with the one that has the lower maint cost since it'll be a daily driver - roughly 120 miles RT.

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Old 11-06-2007, 05:27 PM
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Wow. I'd as soon get hit by a bus as drive a '73 Beetle 120 miles daily!

There are lots of factors to keep in mind but an early-80s MB Diesel is a wonderful daily-driver if the car is in decent shape AND you are willing to do a good bit of the routine maintenance yourself.

I drive my 300CD approx 70 miles RT every day.
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:30 PM
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I have a VW Thing, and a MB 300sd. In my experience, the Thing needs ALOT more love than the MB. The VWs don't seem to hold up like the MBs do.
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:35 PM
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Early 70s Mercedes already had wonderful things like 4 wheel disk brakes, crumple zones, and independent suspension that make it somewhat safe to share the road with homicidal SUVs and minivans.
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:36 PM
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Thanks racerx and nrhills! I had a supervisor that owned a VW Thing, interesting vehicle, hardtop or convertible?
Any pics or the 'Thing' and the CD?
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:39 PM
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Good point wodnek - that's quite a collection!!
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:49 PM
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There is no way a '73 Beetle is going to survive that amount of driving....let alone be enjoyable. Not bagging on the Bug, it just isn't designed for that.
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Old 11-06-2007, 06:02 PM
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Thanks Todd.....Nice coupe!!

Maybe I shouldn't say 'daily' more like two-three times a week. Too bad I can't $$$ both.
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Old 11-06-2007, 06:20 PM
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We'll assume "Southern1" is far enough south, that you won't need HEAT...

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Old 11-06-2007, 06:41 PM
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just a 'little'. more of the opposite - AC needed! It's looking like the bug would be 'fun' and maybe a short term 'investment' or 'toy' and the MB more suited for 'normal' use. Although there are those that swear by the VW and it durability.
Any 'D' or CD's for sale in the SouthEast region? I've seen a few up North and in the West - Tx being the closest thus far. I'll keep looking although I'd like to purchase one soon.
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Old 11-06-2007, 07:01 PM
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just a 'little'. more of the opposite - AC needed! It's looking like the bug would be 'fun' and maybe a short term 'investment' or 'toy' and the MB more suited for 'normal' use. Although there are those that swear by the VW and it durability.
Any 'D' or CD's for sale in the SouthEast region? I've seen a few up North and in the West - Tx being the closest thus far. I'll keep looking although I'd like to purchase one soon.
Craigslist and Autotrader online seem to be the best now. Ebay has gone crazy with the prices people pay. I kind of thought a 87 300TD would be a nice car for the wife. Saw one on E-bay with just a little rust, cracked driver seat and 300,000 miles. I thought for a couple grand i could fix it up with a parts car. WRONG! That car topped 9 grand! 20 years old with issues gee...
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Old 11-06-2007, 07:19 PM
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Lets see... I have a 64 bug and a 79 240D, which gets much goes much further on a gallon of fuel, is about a bizzilion times safer, and more comfy, its a no brainer there.
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Old 11-06-2007, 07:25 PM
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I like old bugs, I owned one in college and I'll probably buy a convertible to play around with at some point. However, I would not recommend one as a daily driver if you need to travel any distance. They are very cool toys, but from a safety , reliability, comfort, performance point of view they are really no match for an old benz.

Either one will eat your lunch if it not in decent condition to begin with. Find a good shop to check it out before you buy it.
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Old 11-06-2007, 07:28 PM
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Can or could the 73 vw type1 be reliable for a daily yes. Can you have ac and heat yes. vw super bettles had irs and ifs if your worried about the suspension. Would i choose the bug as a daily over the MB probably not. Much like your beloved MB diesels are miss understood( loud, smelly and slow ), so is the aircooled VW. If people would of actually maintaned the proper tolerances on the engines than most of the public wouldnt have the miss conception that the VWs are unreliable. Instead the general public would jump in there cute new aircooled cars and try and drive them without doing the routine maintenance. before long there cars would die and of course they would be considered junk and unreliable. Another more recent problem with the aircooled VW scene, last 20 years or so atleast, is the flooding of the market of inferior parts (taiwon, brazil, where ever else labors a few cents an hour).

Once again if I had the choice between a VW bug or a MB 300CD as a daily I would not hesitate with choosing the MB. As long as the MB wasn't about to become a money pit.
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:16 PM
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Simple choice:

The MB is a real car, with proper doors, proper features, decent power, and has everything you would expect from a proper car. Even in the early 80's they actualy have some decent crash safety features, throw in the decent mass your average W123 has and its a decently safe car.

The VW is not a real car, its a Nazi's scheme dreamed up to torture and kill there peasents. They who created them never actualy wanted them, they drove MB's insted. I hate VW's, I don't get what people see in these things.

120 miles a day in a Bug? I'd rather ride a bike.

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