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W140 Diesels
Do W140 diesels use the 3.5 diesel? (AKA Rodbender) or do cars like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-SD-DIESEL_W0QQitemZ120180957429QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem use something else? Thanks, Dave.
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Each and every 140 Diesel has the bad motor.
Not all of the motors are bad, but if you roll those dice, only gamble enough that you can afford to lose. A 140 Diesel is a great car until/unless the motor begins to burn large quantities of oil, before giving up in a great puff of smoke. Trouble is that you cannot predict which vehicles will do this and when. Hell it might never happen but it might happen next week. Caveat emptor, my friend. |
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Well, I like the theoretical concept of a W140, powered by a diesel, but with all of the known problems with that particular diesel, I suppose it isn't worth it. I saw the 300SD on the back (rather than 350SD), I thought it might be different. So, I guess the last safe S-Class diesel was the 126 300SD/L, right?
Thanks, Dave.
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Thanks, Dave.
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http://www.edmunds.com/used/1995/mercedesbenz/sclass/14492/specs.html http://www.edmunds.com/used/1995/mercedesbenz/sclass/14491/specs.html
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I'll bet the driveability at low speeds would be identical, especially if the S-320 has slightly shorter gearing. |
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Not to mention the fact that you're not dealing with a good chance of being in possession of your own personal, ticking, time bomb under the hood.
No reason to risk the W140 Diesel, not when the S320 is such a good car. |
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Well, maybe U.S. market diesel W140s did. But most world markets got in late 1995 the 300SD which was later renamed S 300 D TurboDiesel. This car featured a completely new 3.0 liter turbodiesel which was very reliable, powerful and emissions efficient. The car was available until the end of 1998.
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Not to mention the S320's have a 5spd trans, and if you buy one that is 1997 or later its the wonderfull 722.6.
The S320's are a ton faster, like 2 seconds faster to 60. The M104 is a wonderfull I6, that has a lot more power. Remember S350D 150hp, S320 230hp. In this case the S320 is just an all around better car than the diesel W140's that we got.
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All I know is they are both slow. The S600 is the W140 to have, the 400hp V12 pwns all.
M120 at 6,500rpm under a bridge, OMG I need a towl.
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Well let's see. I own one of these "rod benders". A '94 S350D w/3.5L time bomb in it. Saw a post last night from a guy with a '95 350D, he has 340K+ on his time bomb. He didin't sound like it was fixin' to explode, but it did have a squeal to it. Sure, they're heavy, 4600lb+, 0-60 is embarrassing if you're down on the strip. Last time I owned a car that I could brag on 0- whatever time, it got me in more trouble than I could afford. I pull a 300 mile one way commute once a week and I've yet to find a vehicle other than the Benz that lets me get there without feeling like I've been through the grinder. Wish I could put OnStar on it. And of course being Diesel, I can put all the turbine fuel through I can lay my hands on, try that with the S320 or any gasser. Price is right too, free.
If memory serves me, there were only 1k of the S350D's sold in the US, any of you experts got numbers on how many of them just up and bent their rods? If so, what kind of mileage were on them? Maybe I need to get a set of rods. Wayne |
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Just get a diesel 126. They look better anyhow.
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The S320 really has to scream for power to get underway. Moving that lunk of a car takes a lot of twist. The 350 has more get up and go than the 320, easily. Even accounting for the shorter gearing of the gasser six.
Also, when it works, the 350 diesel is much more reliable to take on long distance trips as there is little to fail. I've had good amounts of time behind the wheel of both. The 350 is great for the "relaxed" driving style, with enough torque available "right now" in city driving. The gasser I6 is good for "aggressive" driving styles, where the person is always coming into dangerous uphill on ramp situations. Fuel mileage suffers accordingly, however. Bottom line: The best engines for the W140 are the 5.0 liter M119, and my personal favorite: the 6.0 liter M120. The M120 version S-Class would have about the same acceleration as the later model E420/E430 (perhaps slightly quicker, even). But fuel economy is probably about half.
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