I have just determined that my car (98 W210 Turbodiesel) needs the motor mounts replaced. I have several symptoms: excessive motion of the motor, louder engine noise inside the car, vibration in the steering wheel, I haven't measured them but they look squished too. I have to take a long trip next week, is it going to hurt anything to drive the car with worn mounts? Can I damage the flexplate or trans. mount? I need to drive about 1500 mi. and I don't know how long these mounts have needed attention. Any input is appreciated.

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Muleears
'07 E320 Bluetec 133K my DD
'04 Jaguar XJ8 VDP, 34K
'10 Hyundai Accent 60K Grocery Getter
'02 VW Golf soon to be on the road again
'97 E300 Diesel Son's DD
'61 VERY tolerant wife

Hampton Roads, VA USA

Gone but not forgotten:
'67 250S 95K
'86 300SDL
'87 300D Turbo, 364K! R.I.P.
'98 E300 Turbodiesel, 213K
'02 S420, 164K
'01 Prius 138K

I believe it has been noted that the failed engine mounts can cause the serpentine belt tensioner to fail. Other than that I am not certain there is a concern. I would expect excessive motion to eventually cause some problems between the exhaust system and the connections to the flange that moves with the engine. Jim

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Own:
1986 Euro 190E 2.3-16 (291,000 miles),
1998 E300D TurboDiesel, 231,000 miles -purchased with 45,000,
1988 300E 5-speed 252,000 miles,
1983 240D 4-speed, purchased w/136,000, now with 222,000 miles.
2009 ML320CDI Bluetec, 89,000 miles

Owned:
1971 220D (250,000 miles plus, sold to father-in-law),
1975 240D (245,000 miles - died of body rot),
1991 350SD (176,560 miles, weakest Benz I have owned),
1999 C230 Sport (45,400 miles),
1982 240D (321,000 miles, put to sleep)

I'd recommend changing them out. Thats roughly 22 hrs of driving time.
New mounts well push everything back to proper alignment.

1500 miles is a long way to go, its worth spending half a day to replace them. Its really redeeming to start the car up after they are replaced too, you remember how quiet your car is supposed to be!

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1967 W110 200D
1977 W123 240D (RIP)

Jim, I think its too late for my tensioner. Thats already on my repair list.

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Muleears
'07 E320 Bluetec 133K my DD
'04 Jaguar XJ8 VDP, 34K
'10 Hyundai Accent 60K Grocery Getter
'02 VW Golf soon to be on the road again
'97 E300 Diesel Son's DD
'61 VERY tolerant wife

Hampton Roads, VA USA

Gone but not forgotten:
'67 250S 95K
'86 300SDL
'87 300D Turbo, 364K! R.I.P.
'98 E300 Turbodiesel, 213K
'02 S420, 164K
'01 Prius 138K

I drove mine a lot farther than 1500 miles on partially collapsed mounts before figuring out they were the cause of a vibration which appeared at the tensioner.

IIRC I went through one pivot arm, 3 damper shocks, 1 or 2 tensioner springs and a couple of stretched out belts.

Mine was worse when cold at idle. Mostly went away once hot. If you're going to drive long distances that wouldnt be as much an issue.

The tensioner and damper bolts require a 13mm & 11mm wrench. Hmm, I think thats is the only time I've ever used an 11mm wrench....

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Terry Allison
N. Calif. & Boca Chica, Panama

09' E320 Bluetec 77k (USA)
09' Hyundai Santa Fe Diesel 48k (S.A.)

The most obvious and technically sound approach is to replace the mounts. Not a big deal, really, and the change is really gratifying. But the question as I heard it was "can" he drive the car 1500 miles with collapsed mounts without causing other damage? I think the fact that we have all driven our cars until we noticed something was amiss means we have all driven them for some time with degraded and degrading mounts, then likely with completely crushed ones for an unknown period of time. The only adverse consequence I have read documented here is the belt tensioner failure. I also believe the next biggest or obvious concern is the connection between the exhaust system and the engine at the point where the two support systems meet.

Given the opportunity to change the mounts out, definitely don't hesitate and do the job. If you don't have the time, I doubt the car is not going to make 1500 miles because the mounts are flat. Jim

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Own:
1986 Euro 190E 2.3-16 (291,000 miles),
1998 E300D TurboDiesel, 231,000 miles -purchased with 45,000,
1988 300E 5-speed 252,000 miles,
1983 240D 4-speed, purchased w/136,000, now with 222,000 miles.
2009 ML320CDI Bluetec, 89,000 miles

Owned:
1971 220D (250,000 miles plus, sold to father-in-law),
1975 240D (245,000 miles - died of body rot),
1991 350SD (176,560 miles, weakest Benz I have owned),
1999 C230 Sport (45,400 miles),
1982 240D (321,000 miles, put to sleep)

Sounds like I'll be OK then. I just cannot change them before I leave on monday.

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Muleears
'07 E320 Bluetec 133K my DD
'04 Jaguar XJ8 VDP, 34K
'10 Hyundai Accent 60K Grocery Getter
'02 VW Golf soon to be on the road again
'97 E300 Diesel Son's DD
'61 VERY tolerant wife

Hampton Roads, VA USA

Gone but not forgotten:
'67 250S 95K
'86 300SDL
'87 300D Turbo, 364K! R.I.P.
'98 E300 Turbodiesel, 213K
'02 S420, 164K
'01 Prius 138K

When you get the mounts, it is an easy job. Can't recall, would have to check my past posts, but seemed like an hour job when I did it. Way easier than anticipated.

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raMBow

1999 E300DT Obsydian Black Metallic, Heated Full Leather Parchment options, E2, K2, 136,000+, best 36.5 mpg - GP's 12-04 & 11-12 Zero Stuck
2010 Honda Odyssey - The BrideMobile - best 26.5
(2) 2005 Honday Accord- (1 -Corporate 1 - Personal) - 110,000 4-cyl 30mpg
2000 VW Golf GLS TDI, Upsolute Chip (sold to Brother, now 300+k on it) 48.5 mpg like clock work
1987 Honda CRX HF - Sold 87,000 always over 50 mpg Max 67 mpg

My '96 E300D was driven for 24,000 miles by the third owner (almost two years) with 'flat' motor mounts. I guess he didn't want to spend $358.88 (in February 2006) to replace them, 'cause the car became mine two weeks ago, still with the flat motor mounts.

Driving with bad motor mounts? -- it can be done ("If you have the right stuff," as Tom Wolfe wrote). It is not, however, recommended. Other expensive things will inevitably be damaged. I replaced those bad motor mounts this past Wednesday for $111.30 in parts and a few hours of my time. The motor now sits about 3/4 inch higher!

Incidentally, when the motor mounts were reported bad, the serpentine belt tensioner was also found to be damaged; that at least was fixed at that time (February 2006).

Jeremy

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"Buster" in the '95

Our all-Diesel family
1996 E300D (W210) . .338,000 miles Wife's car
2005 E320 CDI . . 113,000 miles My car
Santa Rosa population 176,762 (2022)
Total. . . . . . . . . . . . 627,762
"Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz."
-- Janis Joplin, October 1, 1970

My tensioner is making noise also. As a matter of fact, I replaced the gas strut on it a month ago hoping that was what was making noise. I helped but didn't solve it. Will it quiet down with new mounts or is it already bad?

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Muleears
'07 E320 Bluetec 133K my DD
'04 Jaguar XJ8 VDP, 34K
'10 Hyundai Accent 60K Grocery Getter
'02 VW Golf soon to be on the road again
'97 E300 Diesel Son's DD
'61 VERY tolerant wife

Hampton Roads, VA USA

Gone but not forgotten:
'67 250S 95K
'86 300SDL
'87 300D Turbo, 364K! R.I.P.
'98 E300 Turbodiesel, 213K
'02 S420, 164K
'01 Prius 138K

Cal - During my bad mount nightmare I overheated a damper or two (they lose resistance) and melted the lower bushing on another.

They have little resistance new when extending but ~25-30lbs when contracting.

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Terry Allison
N. Calif. & Boca Chica, Panama

09' E320 Bluetec 77k (USA)
09' Hyundai Santa Fe Diesel 48k (S.A.)