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Old 11-12-2007, 08:46 PM
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Brake Caliper Core Charges

I have a big problem but it might no be that big of a deal. Well having a very tight budget to work worth i think that i have a problem. Both front brake calipers have one half of them seized. my question is will this still be an acceptable core or will say autozone or some other places refuse it. I tryed autozone and they wanted $140 per caliper (ATE) i really dont have that money right now and if there do accept the core then i can get them for like $85. I really dont want to go in there and ask them the question before i order them because then they might say something. So I have one side of both of my front calipers sized are these acceptable cores or im i screwed.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:51 PM
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Seized pistons is probably the primary reason for caliper replacement. That should not be a problem with regard to the core charge.

If you want to save money, consider a seal kit. You will need to remove the pistons to check for scoring/pitting. If the pistons are just "gunked up," new seals and boots will probably be all you need.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:55 PM
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I would expect them to accept the seized calipers because they are going to rebuild them anyway. If you want to make sure, just call up and ask them without giving your name.
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:14 PM
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You return with your old calipers in the box.


"Well, Mr. Boom, we've carefully examined your calipers........removed the pistons.........and, unfortunately Mr. Boom, the cylinder bores are scored to a level of .003" and it will be impossible to recondition these cylinder bores. Accordingly, Mr. Boom, we will be unable to accept these calipers as a returned core for rebuild".

.........now.........we're talking about the chimps at AutoZoo.........do you honestly think the aforementioned statement is even a remote possibility?
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I would recommend against getting a seal kit. If a piston is seized, it is very likely to be pitted or scored and won't be usable.

The rebuilders expect to put new parts in the caliper as well as the labor for the work. As Tango says, they also expect some seized pistons. I would wonder how many pistons they expect to be usable. More than zero?
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:35 PM
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I would recommend against getting a seal kit. If a piston is seized, it is very likely to be pitted or scored and won't be usable.
I've done three of them.........the pistons are chromed.........very unlikely to pit or score unless water entered the cylinder over a lengthy period of time.

The accumulate rust deposits on the surface from the cast iron cylinder, but these are easily polished away with fine emery paper.
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:36 PM
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Just throw the old calipers in the box and return them. The moron behind the counter will just make sure a caliper is in the box, and give you your money back.


You could probably throw calipers in the box from any car, they don't know what MB calipers look like.

I don't know about your Autozoo, but I can't stand mine because everyone behind the counter is dumb as a stump.
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I've done three of them.........the pistons are chromed.........very unlikely to pit or score unless water entered the cylinder over a lengthy period of time.

The accumulate rust deposits on the surface from the cast iron cylinder, but these are easily polished away with fine emery paper.
The problem occurs when the dust seal fails, and water does get to the piston. It will sit in there for a long time before it evaporates, damaging the piston.

I've seen the damage before on calipers that weren't seized. I've never seen a seized caliper come apart with a usable piston in my life.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:08 PM
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Just return them, the boys here could careless what's in the box. Hell, I could stuff a brick in there... they don't check.

Would you return a perfectly good PS pump as a core? Of course not, core items need to be reman/reconditioned/re-whatever to be used again.

You're thinking WAY too much into this.
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I've never seen a seized caliper come apart with a usable piston in my life.
I have seen plenty that have cleaned up nicely and given good service with new boots and seals. And Boom might be able to make one good caliper out of the two bad ones, so he only has to buy one new one.

Of course, it is entirely possible that the pistons are scored and the bores are pitted. But it only takes a few minutes to find out. Rejecting the reseal option "sight unseen" is nonsense, especially when money is tight.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:32 PM
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I have seen plenty that have cleaned up nicely and given good service with new boots and seals. And Boom might be able to make one good caliper out of the two bad ones, so he only has to buy one new one.

Of course, it is entirely possible that the pistons are scored and the bores are pitted. But it only takes a few minutes to find out. Rejecting the reseal option "sight unseen" is nonsense, especially when money is tight.
One of the three that I did had one piston frozen so badly that compressed shop air wouldn't budge it. I needed the hydraulic system of the vehicle to move it out of the bore.

No damage to the piston........cleaned up fine and was reused.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:36 PM
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i tried to get the pistons out and i just can get them out. I planned on rebuilding them but if i cant get the piston out then I'm suck buying new ones.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:29 AM
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i tried to get the pistons out and i just can get them out. I planned on rebuilding them but if i cant get the piston out then I'm suck buying new ones.
Get yourself a bicycle pump, and hook it up to the bleeder screw (you'll have to hold your thumb over where the line feeds in), and start pumping. They should pop out fairly easily. MAKE SURE you do not throw away the boxes to your new caliper. If you do, they won't return your core. Ask me how I know...
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Get yourself a bicycle pump, and hook it up to the bleeder screw (you'll have to hold your thumb over where the line feeds in), and start pumping. They should pop out fairly easily. MAKE SURE you do not throw away the boxes to your new caliper. If you do, they won't return your core. Ask me how I know...


Oh that's nothing, I had a buffoon at AutoZone once tell me that they were unable to accept my used oil as it was, get this, CONTAMINATED! Well Ace, obviously so as that's why it is no longer in my vehicle!
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Old 11-13-2007, 09:41 AM
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Oh that's nothing, I had a buffoon at AutoZone once tell me that they were unable to accept my used oil as it was, get this, CONTAMINATED! Well Ace, obviously so as that's why it is no longer in my vehicle!
The one by my house is cool about oil. I bring it in, and they just say, "Take it through those doors and just dump it in the recepticle." I could be dumping toxic waste in there, and they wouldn't know. Of course, that's the only reason I ever set foot into the place; WAY too many bad experiences in that place, like having some 16 y/o kid arguing with me over the equipment on my car because their computer is showing the wrong parts...

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