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You may want to follow Omegaman's advice on this thread. He puts the socket and breaker bar on on the nut, then hits the starter.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=150588&highlight=harmonic+balancer+failure |
AFAIK, there is no rubber part. Here is an exploded view of the crank and its related parts.
http://detali.ru/cat/MB/B03015000111.0051.gif |
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You need to ignore my earlier comment about rubber parts. I still have in my mind some image from this site of a large round metal object, loose on what I recall to be a crankshaft. I thought it was some kind of vibration damper or something associated with the nose of a 617 which had separated from its rubber components. Perhaps it was all a dream.
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Well, I wasn't dreaming. There is a rubber part in there. Here's a whole thread on it. I'm linking to the page with the pictures:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=58996&highlight=vibration+damper&page=5 HOWEVER, it doesn't look like a failed rubber part can cause your problem. |
That is on the damper, separate from the pulley. It's not going to cause the pulley to turn independent of the crankshaft, even if the bonding material does fail. The pulley is bolted to the balancing disc with the vibration damper sandwiched in between.
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Same concept though. If the engine runs, the only real possibility is that the pins sheared. Or they are "missing." Bad news any way you slice it. |
Actually a fairly common problem. I had a 300d na that had that happen. It required a new crank (used).
I hope it is one of the less drastic problems for you. Tom W |
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I'm just sorry that James sounds like he is gonna have to become knowledgeable about this. :( |
No dream Kerry, it happened to my Father's Lexus, the rubber failed and it lost drvie to the serpentine belt, ... clever design that Toyota stuff.
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^ It's actually quite common on other cars. our Volvo is similar design.
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But something seems odd about James' description of his failure. Am I correct in thinking that the timing notch into which he thought he could insert a screwdriver is on the harmonic balancer. If locking the harmonic balancer will lock the crankshaft, then clearly it is not free to spin on the crank and the dowel pins must be ok. This would point to sheared bolts but he says the bolts are still tight. Something doesn't make sense to me. The only explanation I can imagine for his description is that the crankshaft is broken behind the dowel pins. |
My point exactly. If the bolt on the nose of the crank is tight, and turning the pully when wrenched, the nose of the crank appears to be broken off. It has happened on this forum in the past year, an SDL, '87 I believe in GA, he was trying to sell it really cheap but I couldn't get there.
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