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jaschanks 03-29-2008 02:52 AM

When To Replace Timing Chain
 
Hello Everyone, Recently got a 1981 240d with an unknown service hx of the last 100k miles. Since I'm going to adjust the valves, while I'm in there is there any way to visually inspect the timing chain for condition and possible need for replacement? I'm not ready to do that job yet! Thanks, JEFF

Alberta Luthier 03-29-2008 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jaschanks (Post 1807922)
Hello Everyone, Recently got a 1981 240d with an unknown service hx of the last 100k miles. Since I'm going to adjust the valves, while I'm in there is there any way to visually inspect the timing chain for condition and possible need for replacement? I'm not ready to do that job yet! Thanks, JEFF

Welcome to the forum Jeff,
If you use the search button you will find lots of good info there including how to set your valves and measure chain stretch.

jaschanks 03-29-2008 04:15 AM

I actually meant I was not ready for the timing chain job yet. Not too worried about the valve adjustment. Knock on wood.:):) When timing chains fail, do they actually just break or do they stretch first and then break? Thanks

JackG 03-29-2008 06:55 AM

In most cases they stretch, I have not heard of one breaking.
You can get by for quite a while with offset keys before
actually change the chain.

ForcedInduction 03-29-2008 07:33 AM

There is no specific miles to replace it at. You must measure the chain elongation to determine if it needs replacement.
http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/OM617TimingChainStretch

Replacing the chain is pointless if you do not replace the guide rails at the same time.

turbobenz 03-29-2008 09:26 AM

the tensioners are just as importnat as the chain, but never let anyone ever tell you the chains never breaks. The chain on my uncles snapped

hangit 03-29-2008 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JackG (Post 1807974)
You can get by for quite a while with offset keys before
actually change the chain.

Jack;

Where do you place the woodruff keys on the timing chain/assembly?

John :confused:

vstech 03-29-2008 09:45 AM

come on people... the search button up top works great. type in offset key
or timing chain it's all there over and over.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showpost.php?p=1402601&postcount=5

ForcedInduction 03-29-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hangit (Post 1808006)
Where do you place the woodruff keys on the timing chain/assembly?

Between the camshaft and camshaft sprocket.

hangit 03-29-2008 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction (Post 1808015)
Between the camshaft and camshaft sprocket.

Thanks. Are there pics posted anywhere?

John

Brian Carlton 03-29-2008 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by turbobenz (Post 1807999)
the tensioners are just as importnat as the chain, but never let anyone ever tell you the chains never breaks. The chain on my uncles snapped

It's basically impossible for a chain to "snap" of it's own accord. There must be a prior event.........such as the loss of a guide or the tensioning rail.........that precipitates the chain failure.

ForcedInduction 03-29-2008 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1808052)
It's basically impossible for a chain to "snap" of it's own accord. There must be a prior event.........such as the loss of a guide or the tensioning rail.........that precipitates the chain failure.

Not always. Metal does fatigue over time and everything man-made will have production flaws.

You know the old saying, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. All it takes is one bad link for the chain to break. Remember the member (Craig?) that happened to find his chain was missing a link bar?

Craig 03-29-2008 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction (Post 1808272)
You know the old saying, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. All it takes is one bad link for the chain to break. Remember the member (Craig?) that happened to find his chain was missing a link bar?

Just to be clear, that was my original oil pump chain at about 300K miles that had worn to the point the one side link had basically just fallen off. Personally, I like to replace the timing chain/guide/etc. at about 200K miles and avoid playing around with offset keys.

1985300d 03-29-2008 08:49 PM

can you see if you have a key installed, or must you remove the cam sprocket?

Brian Carlton 03-29-2008 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction (Post 1808272)
Not always. Metal does fatigue over time and everything man-made will have production flaws.

You know the old saying, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. All it takes is one bad link for the chain to break. Remember the member (Craig?) that happened to find his chain was missing a link bar?

OK, I'll agree that 300K will cause sufficient wear on the pins to create the possibility of a failure and that it should be replaced at that mileage on principle, due to the potential for catstrophe if it fails.


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