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So we have two interpretations, both perhaps encompass this low book value. That's a big problem. The sentences "The exterior paint, trim, and interior would show normal wear, needing only minor reconditioning. and" May also be a deteriorated restoration or a very poor amateur restoration" what kill it for me. A car needs alot more than minor reconditioning if it has received a poor amateur paint job. That means you put your car in the leagues of a $199 Maaco paint job car that will require $5,000+ to make it presentable again. Do you really think your car is worth the same? I suppose if we compromise, low retail encompasses a HUGE range of cars of various values. Thus it can't be accurate.
No you didn't overpay for your car, I suppose I made a mistake; chalk it up to my youthful idiocy. According to NADA, you stole it, since I would judge it as more towards average, but the descriptions are very contradictory. Certainly your car looks perfect from 20 feet away, which is written in the average description. Hold up, math whiz. 15% off NADA's $23,600 trade in value comes to a bit over $20,000. You're quite a bit off; your numbers are lying to you.
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I don't think the seats are leather but rather are MB Tex. Usually the leather seats have a piece at the front of the seat that runs east and west and the MB Tex runs all the way north and wraps the front edge. This is based on the front of the car being north.. jim16671836
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If you think the jokes on me for buying my car for $4800, you're sadly mistaken. I got a decent deal on a car at the high-end of LOW retail condition. That's all. There's no way it fits the book description of an AVERAGE retail car.
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I'm posting this again just in case you missed it.
So we have two interpretations, both perhaps encompass this low book value. That's a big problem. The sentences "The exterior paint, trim, and interior would show normal wear, needing only minor reconditioning. and" May also be a deteriorated restoration or a very poor amateur restoration" what kill it for me. A car needs alot more than minor reconditioning if it has received a poor amateur paint job. That means you put your car in the leagues of a $199 Maaco paint job car that will require $5,000+ to make it presentable again. Do you really think your car is worth the same? I suppose if we compromise, low retail encompasses a HUGE range of cars of various values. Thus it can't be accurate. No you didn't overpay for your car, I suppose I made a mistake; chalk it up to my youthful idiocy. According to NADA, you stole it, since I would judge it as more towards average, but the descriptions are very contradictory. Certainly your car looks perfect from 20 feet away, which is written in the average description. Hold up, math whiz. 15% off NADA's $23,600 trade in value comes to a bit over $20,000. You're quite a bit off; your numbers are lying to you. In addition: The difference between the two regions looks to be exactly the same, but my computer skills could be failing me. Perhaps they don't consider regions on classic cars? That's a big mistake on their part. One of many. You couldn't get your head around a simple multiplication problem. Can you get your head around NADA's math as well? I sure can't, but I'm guessing the math makes about as much sense as their horrible descriptions the their 3 tiers.
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Nope, my mistake. I only glanced at the page you linked and used the base trade in of $22,200 and 85% of that price is, like I said, 18,900 ($18,870 actually but close enough). I overlooked your add-ons. My mistake. The numbers don't lie, but I am far from infallible - and willingly admit when I make a mistake.
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You can probably see the dings because you look at the car every day; I haven't seen your car so I probably shouldn't presume. Another thing to chalk up to my youthful idiocy.
I finally see an end coming to this! We can easily agree that: 1. NADA classic car values do not factor location, which is a huge flaw in their system 2. The descriptions need to be more clear, since two entirely different interpretations can be made. We have 2 very different definitions of the word "poor." Certainly there are various levels of poorly done amateur paint jobs. 3. NADA needs to clearly describe exactly how they get their data and make their calculations.
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Truth is, we really aren't that far apart - not enough that regional markets can't account for the difference. We agree the coupes go for more than sedans, we agree the book isn't perfect. We agree that condition is more a factor in sale price than what the book says. Heck I think we even agree that in the end, they're worth whatever someone will pay for them. It's been a fun debate. No hard feelings. You throw away your book, and do your buying and selling based on "gut". I'll continue to consult mine as one of the sources when considering price/value. I have to take a break now - its been a long day and I need some dinner and a shower. And as for the original question of the car in AZ. I still think it is worth $5k-$6k if everthing works and a bit more if the mileage can be proven. At least that's what a rust free 300CDT is worth to me and in my area.
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Heated debates usually don't end like that. Normally, a closed thread and a ban is involved.
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I had no idea this had anything to do with your car, I was just simply arguing that NADA isn't always right.
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A couple of other things regarding your friend's W140. No matter how good the ad or how nicely he descried it, a west coast buyer like me is going to think 2 things right off the bat 1) snow + salted roads = serious rust concerns 2) East coast = it is 3000+ miles away and if I win it getting it here will be costly or a pain Those two things pretty much eliminate most west coast buyers and a lot of them from the midwest too. And I think we all can agree that West Coast cars go for the highest prices, can't we? Tyler didn't even want to include any cars from California as comparisons because of their "inflated prices". Of course those inflated prices couldn't have anything to do with the fact that 20-30 year old cars out here with hardly a speck of rust on them are the rule - rather than the exception - now could it? During the months that I was searching eBay, AutoTrader, Craig's list etc., I pretty much turned a blind eye to anything east of the Missisippi and all of the midwest rust belt states for those reasons alone. Reading some of the rust issue stories on this and other MB boards was enough to convince me I wasn't interested in cars from those places. For my money, on anything over 20 years old, it has to come from the west coast or the southwestern states. Or maybe Florida - though that's really way too far to go for anything less than half off book price.
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I agree. I would buy a CA car in a heartbeat and gladly pay $1,500 shipping in order to avoid rust issues.
$1,500 doesn't fix much rust. I have been to CA and I have seen the weather, its very easy on cars!
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Getting hot & bothered and flying off the handle doesn't win debates. Like you said, it just gets interesting threads locked. A strong argument is just weakend if you let the other guy get the better of you and make you loose your cool. And the converse is equally true. Even a so-so argument can be made stronger if presented well and calmly.
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Synonyms for heated. I guess we have two different definitions. Kind of a theme for the past 24 hours, huh?
Animated Impassioned Intense Passionate
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The only thing ou have to watch out for is mold - and that's only an issue with cars left sitting too long. Funny, but you never hear people say that they'd buy and pay extra to ship a car from CT or KS
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Texas is very easy on cars, and they don't seem to have the "inflated values" I describe. The salt air of the West coast versus the intense Texas sun; no obvious winner, I guess.
How was the dinner and shower?
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