want to put a 84 190d 2.2 engine and trans in a 84 euro 500sel has this been done before?

Anything is possible if you have the fabrication skills and enough money. A 2.2 in an SEL would be dangerously slow.

well i dont have the money and my skills are limited as far as speed not a big concearn on a 1 to 10 how dificult ?

1-10? Unknown. Nobody has done it yet.

Assume you will have to make new engine mount arms or offset them, make a transmission mount or adapt one from a different model, lengthen the driveshaft, fan shroud to reach the engine, install the glowplug timer/controller, adapt the A/C system, change the front springs, register it as a model configuration that never existed and make it pass emissions.

I'll have to second the "why on earth would you want to do this" vote. might as well be putting the 3-cyl smart car engine in it.

Since this engine never came as an option in tis car, I'd have to say on the difficulty scale its goig to be damn close to the hard end since you'll have to make a lot of the parts necessary to make this work.

My advice? find a smaller recipient vehicle or bigger donor engine if you're itchin to do an engine swap.

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1980 500SE/AMG Euro
1981 500SEL Euro
1982 380SEL
1983 300TD
1983 500SEC/AMG Euro
1984 500SEC
1984 300TD Euro
1986 190E 2.3-16
1986 190E 2.3
1987 300D
1997 C36 AMG
2003 C320T 4matic

past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350

See, now I differ. This shouldn't be that hard. Sure it was never built that way, but I don't see the big deal. The recipient will be 7 or 800# heavier than the 190 that it came in. Thats like four adults and some luggage, or a car pulling a small trailer.

Choose your gear ratio in the rear end carefully. I would take the one from the 190 along with the engine and tranny.

It won't win any races but it won't be much worse than a standard 240d.

These times of high fuel costs call for drastic measures. This idea does not sound that bad to me.

Good luck with it.

Tom W

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

A 2.2L diesel in a SEL?


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'81 MB 300SD, '82 MB 300D Turbo (sold/RIP), '04 Lincoln Town Car Ultimate

Sooner or later every car falls apart, ours does it later!
-German Narrator in a MB Promotion Film about the then brand new W123.

Im glad someone understands I hear you guys and this one might be too diff for my skill level but I luv your honesty jus want to bdo somethin with my 500sel euro (great body)tranny sliping again and only 12 mpg I still need to do engine work on my190d rough body so i thought about this

I printed that out and hung it on my wall.

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1979 240D- 316K miles - VGT Turbo, Intercooler, Stick Shift, Many Other Mods - Daily Driver

1982 300SD - 232K miles - Wife's Daily Driver

1986 560SL - Wife's red speed machine

220SDL (72hp)=

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14 F150 Eco
19 Fusion Hybrid
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You know, in 2006 we had problems with e.coli tainted spinach, this year we have salmonella tainted tomatoes, and next year, it'll be giant laughing mutant pears.

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'81 MB 300SD, '82 MB 300D Turbo (sold/RIP), '04 Lincoln Town Car Ultimate

Sooner or later every car falls apart, ours does it later!
-German Narrator in a MB Promotion Film about the then brand new W123.

Why 220SDL = epic fail?
Its only 80 less than a 300SDL. That's only like 25%.

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I didnt know you liked it that much! It takes a special person to appreciate fine art such as that!

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91 350SD
14 F150 Eco
19 Fusion Hybrid
11 GT500

143 HP in a 300SDL.

Lets take 50% of the Horsepower in a 300SDL....I'll show my work so you understand....

(143 X 50%) = 71.5 hp.

190D 2.2 = 72 hp. So about HALF (~50%) the horsepower of a 300SDL.....

Where is the 25% you're getting?

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91 350SD
14 F150 Eco
19 Fusion Hybrid
11 GT500