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Old 10-23-2008, 11:01 AM
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BAttery reads fine but won't start

I replaced the battery in my 300D recently and it is fine. The starter turns perfectly. I replaced the voltage regulator yesterday.

For some reason the car needs a jump to start and a lot of times it needs a very long charge to jump. In the mornings it needs a long charge but once I have it up and running it will start fine for up to about 30 or 40 minutes and after it has been sitting longer than that I need to jump it off. Once I have it running the battery reads fine. The alternator is reading a little low but not drastically low.

So ya'll think it could be a connection or the laternotor or what?

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Old 10-23-2008, 11:25 AM
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What is it reading? Belts tight? Probably a short in the system somewhere.
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:25 AM
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As an experiment, try disconnecting the battery negative cable overnight. If you have a "leak" somewhere in the electrical system, that will stop it from draining the battery. While you're in there, make some measurements so that we have numbers for the charging system rather than "fine." If the alternator voltage is "low" it may not be delivering any current to charge the battery.
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:32 AM
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when this happened to me, the first thing i did was check for corrosion at the battery terminals and cable, have you done this?
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:33 AM
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have you checked the belt's tension? alternator needs very good belts, and your battery is not fine if it will not start the car.
in the morning before you touch the key, get a good digital voltmeter, and check the battery voltage. it needs to read 12.75 or above.
if not it's low. and weak due to it's discharge state.
also, when the car is running, the battery voltage needs to be 13.5 or higher at idle, and it should go to 14.1 when revved.
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Old 10-23-2008, 02:53 PM
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Disconnect the ground wire from the battery, put it on a charger overnight.
In the morning put your multimeter on the battery and crank. How badly does voltage sag during cranking? Its entirely possible to get sold a bad battery...
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Old 10-23-2008, 03:56 PM
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If the battery checks out fine, you may want to check the starter draw with an inductive ammeter. Could be a bad starter.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:11 PM
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I would also check for a voltage "leak", using an amp meter and test it at all fuses to see where the power draw is.

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Some of your time frames indicate the glow plug relay may not be releasing. Just use a test light or voltage meter to read the glow plugs. If voltage is present after the car has started the relay is staying closed.

Some of your information indicates a pretty heavy drain. Todays car batteries really do not appreciate being drained down. It tends to damage them in my experience if it is repeated multiple times. Car batteries are not deep discharge cycle designs. Since the battery is under warranty being a recent battery. Have it properly checked out just before the 100 percent replacement portion of the warranty expires.

There is also a slight chance your new battery is defective and will not hold a charge. It will accept one just not hold it. This is not as likely as an external to the battery drain situation. When you say the alternator seems to be a little low on output I assume you are reading the battery voltage with engine running. This could be consistant with the glow relay being constantly on as well.
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I have lots of experience with batteries being drained, from my spare cars sitting. I can tell you if you completely drain a battery 5 or 6 times forget it. It's toast. I don't remember the electrochemical reason why but the battery just gives up if you drain it too many times.

I had an old Porsche that I let sit too much, and over 6 years I probably had to put 5 brand-new batteries in it 'cause of that.
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I have lots of experience with batteries being drained, from my spare cars sitting. I can tell you if you completely drain a battery 5 or 6 times forget it. It's toast. I don't remember the electrochemical reason why but the battery just gives up if you drain it too many times.

I had an old Porsche that I let sit too much, and over 6 years I probably had to put 5 brand-new batteries in it 'cause of that.
Not really stealing this guys thread.He will get lots of responses. Not using modern batteries on a regular basis is usually a death sentence for them. The only preventative I think works is pick designs you can turn upside down and drain the battery electrolyte. Sulphation is no longer possible then.

Drain the battery for storage. When you want it back in service dump the electrolyte back in. The battery will return to the same charge state as it was prior to dumping the fluid. American naval forces use this method to store their lead acid batteries for as long as 15 years. I know of nothing else even the effort of using regulated trickle chargers that works. I too have lost far too many car batteries in the past.
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Not really stealing this guys thread.He will get lots of responses. Not using modern batteries on a regular basis is usually a death sentence for them. The only preventative I think works is pick designs you can turn upside down and drain the battery electrolyte.
This would certainly work, but that acid is pretty dangerous. It'll eat holes through most any organic matter.. that includes you.

FYI, you'll need to store the electroyte or replace with fresh full-strength sulphuric acid to reconstitute. The charge is stored partly in the acidity level of the electrolyte -- pure water = dead battery.
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check your neutral safety switch if you determine that you have a good battery. a bad neutral safety switch will cause the car not to start.

Also check to make sure you are getting fuel. Check your starter too.
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Old 10-23-2008, 08:51 PM
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This would certainly work, but that acid is pretty dangerous. It'll eat holes through most any organic matter.. that includes you.

FYI, you'll need to store the electroyte or replace with fresh full-strength sulphuric acid to reconstitute. The charge is stored partly in the acidity level of the electrolyte -- pure water = dead battery.
Yes care and a dedicated drainage pan. That can be just a cheap plastic kitchen type. Store the electrolyte in bottles and label properly.

Needless to say best to put the electroyle under lock and key. At least use safety appliances like a full face shield and gloves etc when inverting the battery.
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:55 AM
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Thanks for all the help. I am an extreme novice to testing electrical hookups but I think that there is enough info for me to figure things out here.

My main question is this. What setting does my standard volt meter need to be on. IT has like 19 different settings. It is the one withe the turn dial. I got it Auto Zone for like $17.

Thanks again Guys,
Zack

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