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Earlier 240 engine wrong for 82 240?
My wife's engine in her 1982 240d went bad (no oil) and I bought another one under the impression that it would fit ok. It came out of an earlier MB, dont' know what year but it has loop glow plugs. Plus it came out of a standard and ours is auto. The fuel pump and vacuum pumps are different. Can I just swap fuel pumps and vacuum pumps? There is an (oil?) line going from the fuel pump to the block on the auto that the standard doesn't have. Is this an impossible dream? Or do I have a little prayer of getting it to work?
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If the engine came out of another W123 (and has the oil filter housing in the same place), you will be fine. You can get pencil-type glow plugs that have the larger loop style base and the other issues can be worked.
If it came out of a W115, you will have a big problem with the oil filter housing clearing the steering gear. Rick
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I was told by someone who is familiar with MBs that because of the oil line coming out of the fuel pump that it wouldn't work. In other words, I have to change the injector pump and put the one from my 82 which has all of the stuff for an auto tranny on the earlier engine which came out of a standard. My auto pump has the oil line and the standard pump doesn't have one. Any idea how I reconcile this?
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That is part of the engine. Unless you are changing the injection pump too the oil line makes no difference.
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correct.
As long as your oil filter housing matches up you are good to go.
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The oil filter housing seems to be the same size and in the same place but it doesn't have the two big hoses coming out of the front. Also the injector pumps are different. Shall I post a pic of them?
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You need to match up engine numbers. If it is from the same engine family it will work.
Mating it to your auto transmission can be accomplished by using the plate that is on YOUR transmission. This is the plate that is between the engine and transmission. You will also have a pilot bushing issue to pay attention to. The auto pilot bushing is sort of hemispherical, while the manual will have a bearing as I recall. If not a bearing it will be a cylindrical bushing. |
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The loop style glow plugs take a different control system than the pencil style (a lot longer glow time). The vacuum pump on the 1982 is a piston style, while the older engines used a diaphragm type. They should interchange without a problem if you keep the mating lines. Sounds like your 1982 had an engine oil cooler and the replacement engine doesn't (large lines out of the filter housing). Don't know if you can swap filter housings or not. You could alway just leave the oil cooler disconnected. This also sounds like it could be an OM615 engine. If it is an OM615 engine, you might also have to swap the transmission adapter on the engine. Not sure about that one. |
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Its a "Euro", yes post a pic
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what year is the 4 cylinder out of?
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Here are some shots. Looks like from the serial numbers they are both 616 engines. Is that correct?
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The replacement engine is a European model that was used with a manual transmission.
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It will work in your 240, but it will take a bit more work then a US spec engine would. You have to swap over the injection pump, oil filter housing (if you want to have the oil cooler), flex plate (making sure to have it's balance matched to the flywheel that came off engine), pull the pilot bearing..., and get 4 pencil type glow plugs that fit the old style head.
PS, I still owe you 10 bucks for the cowl grills. Are you putting the engine in yourself?
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You probably don't need to swap IPs, but you will have to get the "throttle" linkage to work, and address the IP lubrication issues. Probably will be easier to do that than swap IPs.
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The oil supply is fine, the M-pump on the euro engine has a different lubrication design.
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