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mobetta 01-15-2009 05:51 PM

Twenty-two below zero
 
this morning, and she fired right up!!:eek::D

pumped the pedal 3 times, set it at 1/4 of the way down, one glow cycle.

I didn't need to go anywhere, but i was outside getting the Big Booster for the neighbors who's suzuki wouldn't start. Decided to give it a try. Glad I dont need to do that everyday.

punky 01-15-2009 06:09 PM

I didn't know this was the Mercedes Sci-Fi forum. To believe that I would need affadavits' from 3 witnesses. Possibly a blood and skin sample from said witnesses. Video and oral testimony would also be needed.;)

Cr from Texas 01-15-2009 06:25 PM

Does pumping the pedal do anything?

It does on a carburator due to the pump inside the carburator.

vstech 01-15-2009 06:26 PM

is this with or without a plug in heater?
-22... brr. F? Holy frejolies!

mobetta 01-15-2009 07:25 PM

I am still in america, I think??- so that is -22*F.

no block heater, or I wouldn't of bothered posting. synthetic oil, proper timing, valves adjusted, and 400+psi all helps.
I will say that last winter I had an instance where it did not start at slightly higher temps(lower -teens), but for whatever reason, she lit off today.

I dont really know why we are supposed to pump the pedal-maybe to free up all the linkages?
but that is what the OM says to do.

I wont be offended if ya'all dont believe me, I know what really happened. and I'm sorry your car doesn't start as well.:P

fwiw, this car has been burning WVO (2 tank) for about 50K miles, too.

stay warm. keep your stick on the ice.

Brian Carlton 01-15-2009 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 84500SEL (Post 2079630)
............ 20x50 oil.

That's your problem...........crank speed is too slow in the winter.

blackestate 01-15-2009 08:29 PM

no matter what happened. -22 is cold! glad the ol girl roared to life for ya

Dee8go 01-15-2009 08:33 PM

I feel sorry for you. How can you live somewhere that gets so cold?

Yeah, it's great that your car started right up, but geezaloo! -22!

Scott98 01-15-2009 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobetta (Post 2079584)
I400+psi all helps.

Those are the compression numbers you'd see on a new engine. Is yours rebuilt? Nonetheless, still an impressive feat!

Scott

Brian Carlton 01-15-2009 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 84500SEL (Post 2079641)
i dont know its spinning pretty fast .

i just ran 20x50 cause the motor has lots of miles on it.

or what do you run ? in high mileage cars?

thanks

I do........it's not spinning fast enough.

It's OK in the summer.........not OK in the winter.

5W-40 synthetic..........all seasons.

Graplr 01-15-2009 08:49 PM

Awesome Mo. When was the last time you started it before this afternoon? If you fired it this afternoon it wasn't -22F was it? I thought it was in the single digits this afternoon.

Mine didn't start this morning. I even had it plugged in, but I don't think I was getting much juice from the outlet. I did cold start it at -3F last week. Then today after it fired fine the rest of the day sitting in the cold, but it was warmer later today.

My Webasto was out of gas as I didn't think I would need it since I knew I'd be plugging it in. So I pushed it into the heated garage and let it sit for a bit, then it started.

EDIT: Just saw you stated this morning, not this afternoon. Guess it really was -22F. My temp gauge read -27.5(C) this morning. Tonight on the way home it read -25.0C

Bio300TDTdriver 01-15-2009 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobetta (Post 2079477)
this morning, and she fired right up!!:eek::D

pumped the pedal 3 times, set it at 1/4 of the way down, one glow cycle.

I didn't need to go anywhere, but i was outside getting the Big Booster for the neighbors who's suzuki wouldn't start. Decided to give it a try. Glad I dont need to do that everyday.

So what was the temperature of the garage you had it in? :D

mobetta 01-15-2009 09:44 PM

she'd been sitting since sunday while I waited for another pair of calipers.

It was this morning- I looked at the thermometer and it was at -22, then I helped the neighbors get their car started, then tried mine- so maybe it warmed up a degree or 2 in the meantime.

and by single digits, you mean single digits BELOW zero. we haven't seen the friendly side of zero since monday. but sunday is supposed to be 30*F, almost record breaking.

A friends 300 didnt go this AM either, even plugged in 4 hours. his compression is all over the place, though. 170-380 psi, seems to have stuck rings??????

I have no records of the car previous to 266K when I got it, so the engine may have been gone over. I have no reason to think that it has, but the Timing chain shows almost zero stretch w/ dial gauge, but I did not pull the cam pulley to see if/how far offset the key is. and the phenomenal compression.

My car did have a webasto at one time, so maybe it never had a cold start for the first 250K.

Ryan- the webasto wont help w/out fuel!! glad you got it running again.

I will say that oil makes a HUGE difference. I had no start at +7*F with 15-40 rotella. of course, that was my first winter driving a diesel benz, so some of it could be operator error. but I drained it later that day and had (almost) no more issues with synthetic oil- 0-40 M1 that year, now 5-40 Rotella.

also - one of them cheesy jump boxes has saved my bacon more than once- worth every penny of the $20 on spring clearance.

Graplr 01-16-2009 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobetta (Post 2079714)
she'd been sitting since sunday while I waited for another pair of calipers.

It was this morning- I looked at the thermometer and it was at -22, then I helped the neighbors get their car started, then tried mine- so maybe it warmed up a degree or 2 in the meantime.

and by single digits, you mean single digits BELOW zero. we haven't seen the friendly side of zero since monday. but sunday is supposed to be 30*F, almost record breaking.

A friends 300 didnt go this AM either, even plugged in 4 hours. his compression is all over the place, though. 170-380 psi, seems to have stuck rings??????

I have no records of the car previous to 266K when I got it, so the engine may have been gone over. I have no reason to think that it has, but the Timing chain shows almost zero stretch w/ dial gauge, but I did not pull the cam pulley to see if/how far offset the key is. and the phenomenal compression.

My car did have a webasto at one time, so maybe it never had a cold start for the first 250K.

Ryan- the webasto wont help w/out fuel!! glad you got it running again.

I will say that oil makes a HUGE difference. I had no start at +7*F with 15-40 rotella. of course, that was my first winter driving a diesel benz, so some of it could be operator error. but I drained it later that day and had (almost) no more issues with synthetic oil- 0-40 M1 that year, now 5-40 Rotella.

also - one of them cheesy jump boxes has saved my bacon more than once- worth every penny of the $20 on spring clearance.


Yes, I meant got up to single digits BELOW zero. We haven't been above zero since the beginning of the week.

As soon as I got it running yesterday I stopped and filled up the Webasto tank!

bluebenz 01-16-2009 11:42 AM

-34 Celcius this morning in eastern Canada, about -30 F.

The BMW started but the 300D is parked in her warm garage until spring!

tyl604 01-16-2009 12:12 PM

12 degrees in Atlanta this AM. '81 300SD cranked up first time; just like in warm weather. As I backed it out of the garage, it would not spin up any revs but then heading down the driveway and onto the street it perked up just fine. Drove it about two miles and parked it back in the garage. Pretty good for 255,000 miles. The only thing I have done to improve cranking is have the valves adjusted and using 5w30 oil.

71inka02 01-16-2009 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyl604 (Post 2080468)
12 degrees in Atlanta this AM. '81 300SD cranked up first time; just like in warm weather. As I backed it out of the garage, it would not spin up any revs but then heading down the driveway and onto the street it perked up just fine. Drove it about two miles and parked it back in the garage. Pretty good for 255,000 miles. The only thing I have done to improve cranking is have the valves adjusted and using 5w30 oil.


Is your garage enclosed?

mplafleur 01-16-2009 02:26 PM

Only -12F here.

mobetta 01-16-2009 03:28 PM

we broke zero- currently 1*F!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D

winmutt 01-16-2009 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 84500SEL (Post 2079630)
my just about wore out 83 240d this morning took 2 30 second glows, and another 20 second than grinded it to a start. woot!!, i have seem worst cars then this still on the rode, hardly ever gets below 30 here b.r la. it was only 32 deg this morning , friday morning is the test 25deg. if it starts it's ready to sell. no block heater.
low compression
230psi
290
380
240
225k on it, valves adjust correctly 20x50 oil.

20w50 is most likely NOT diesel rated and should NOT be used. I just had to brow beat a friend of mine for this. Just because the PO used it doesn't mean you should. 15w40 atleast. 5w40 if you want to start in cold. You only have one piston within spec, time for a leakdown :(

winmutt 01-16-2009 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyl604 (Post 2080468)
12 degrees in Atlanta this AM. '81 300SD cranked up first time; just like in warm weather. As I backed it out of the garage, it would not spin up any revs but then heading down the driveway and onto the street it perked up just fine. Drove it about two miles and parked it back in the garage. Pretty good for 255,000 miles. The only thing I have done to improve cranking is have the valves adjusted and using 5w30 oil.

5w30 IS NOT diesel rated.


Where do you guys get these oil suggestions from?!

Dee8go 01-16-2009 03:44 PM

I haven't tried starting Max the last few days. Perhaps I'll plug in his block heater before I do. I hope it works. I've never used it before.

240DMartN 01-17-2009 09:24 PM

I also fired up my 83 240D which has been sitting in the garage in sub 0 temps / no block heater. Started great! Actually seemed to crank and fire up quicker and easier than our Jeep which is nearly 2 decades newer. I have been using the Rotella syn 5w40, which I think helps.

Silber Adler 01-04-2013 08:49 AM

I have found that a garage makes quite a difference in temperature. Even if you are not heating it there is quite a bit of solar heating that goes on.

rscurtis 01-04-2013 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winmutt (Post 2080761)
5w30 IS NOT diesel rated.


Where do you guys get these oil suggestions from?!

Amsoil makes a 5/30 diesel rated oil, it's their Series 3000. It is supposed to be their premium diesel oil. I use it in my Dodge PU with excellent results.

Brian Carlton 01-04-2013 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rscurtis (Post 3077041)
I use it in my Dodge PU with excellent results.

How do you know?

Can you compare the wear on your Dodge with the wear on a similar engine that uses 5W-40?

vstech 01-04-2013 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rscurtis (Post 3077041)
Amsoil makes a 5/30 diesel rated oil, it's their Series 3000. It is supposed to be their premium diesel oil. I use it in my Dodge PU with excellent results.

why would you use a thinner hot oil that is specified in your manual? xW40 is what's recommended... why use thinner? that hot spec is important in a diesel... each MASSIVE pulse of the explosion/burn is destructive enough, thinner oil can damage things... get an oil analysis, I bet you have wear you shouldn't.

Doktor Bert 01-04-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobetta (Post 2079477)
Twenty-two below zero

The kinfolk said, "Mo, Move Away From There!"


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