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Leonoo 02-11-2009 10:44 PM

300TD no power, installed to 86 Dodge P/U (question)
 
I installed a 1980 300TD to my 1986 Dodge P/U. It seems under powered. I am looking for advise to give engine more power, and things to check that may need attention.;)

79Mercy 02-11-2009 10:46 PM

What you have is probably about all there is to be had. A 617 without a turbo isn't very fast but its enough to keep up with the flow of traffic.

babymog 02-11-2009 10:47 PM

I'm assuming you installed just the engine?

Click on the diesel perfomance tuning forum above, lots of ways to spend time and money making a 617 belch black smoke and go faster.

Brian Carlton 02-11-2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonoo (Post 2107804)
I installed a 1980 300TD to my 1986 Dodge P/U. It seems under powered. I am looking for advise to give engine more power, and things to check that may need attention.;)

Welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately, the engine you transferred only has 85 hp from the factory. It's definitely not sufficient to push a Dodge pickup around (about 4000 lb).

You really can't get much more power from it, but check out threads regarding IP timing and valve adjustment to get the most you possibly can.

...........and, plan to drive with your foot on the floor...........just like all the gassers............:rolleyes:

Brian Carlton 02-11-2009 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by babymog (Post 2107811)

Click on the diesel perfomance tuning forum above, lots of ways to spend time and money making a 617 belch black smoke and go faster.

.........oh but for the fact that it's n/a...........:(

kerry 02-11-2009 10:56 PM

That's about the same weight as the big G-Wagon which had that engine. You'll have to gear it down and lower your top speed.

babymog 02-11-2009 11:02 PM

My first Cat diesel was an N/A, a 10.4liter N/A, ...

Changed the IP to a higher injection rate, more injection advance, nozzles with lower pop pressure, raised high-idle (max. RPM) speed, increased rack, ... got lots more power and more smoke. Power mods pre-date the turbo it's just dirtier.

Brian Carlton 02-11-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by babymog (Post 2107837)
My first Cat diesel was an N/A, a 10.4liter N/A, ...

Changed the IP to a higher injection rate, more injection advance, nozzles with lower pop pressure, raised high-idle (max. RPM) speed, increased rack, ... got lots more power and more smoke. Power mods pre-date the turbo it's just dirtier.

Yes, I'm sure you could get that 617 all the way up to 100 hp...........now he doesn't need to keep his foot on the floor all the time.;)

A man has to know his limitations.........or, in this case, the engine's limitations.

Leonoo 02-11-2009 11:56 PM

Is the 617 another name for the 300TD,
 
I was told the 300TD put out 140 hp, with the turbo, that is why I figured it might pull the 4000 lbs. If the charge pump does not have enough pressure, could this lower the power?

Brian Carlton 02-11-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonoo (Post 2107905)
I was told the 300TD put out 140 hp, with the turbo, that is why I figured it might pull the 4000 lbs. If the charge pump does not have enough pressure, could this lower the power?

You mentioned the year 1980.........and we concluded that it didn't have a turbo. The "TD" designation is for the wagon. Oh Jimmy...........

But, if it came from an SD.........it might just have a turbo. If so, it has 123 hp........and it has many options for getting more power out of it. Check out the "diesel performance tuning" forum which is at the top of the diesel discussion. Many things you can do.........most of which cost a bit of money.

bgkast 02-12-2009 12:00 AM

I think there may be some confusion. A 1980 300TD is a Wagon. I believe you are saying you installed a 1980 Turbo engine, from a 300SD?

If so that engine has around 125 HP (new). You may not be getting power due to a plugged or disconencted ALDA line. It runs from the back of the exhaust manifold to the ALDA on top of the injection pump.

Try a search for more info.

argus445 02-12-2009 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2107814)
Welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately, the engine you transferred only has 85 hp from the factory. It's definitely not sufficient to push a Dodge pickup around (about 4000 lb).

You really can't get much more power from it, but check out threads regarding IP timing and valve adjustment to get the most you possibly can.

...........and, plan to drive with your foot on the floor...........just like all the gassers............:rolleyes:

Wow your brave as my first car was a 1991 vw 1.6L engine. I think around 50hp so i feel your pain i think it was way underpowered tho it did hold it's own.
My neighbor's 240D was always up to drag race up the freeway till both our cars tached out at about 75-80 depending on the direction the wind was blowing :P belching smoke and everyone behind us eye's burning from the fumes lol

Bio300TDTdriver 02-12-2009 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by argus445 (Post 2107960)
Wow your brave as my first car was a 1991 vw 1.6L engine. I think around 50hp so i feel your pain i think it was way underpowered tho it did hold it's own.
My neighbor's 240D was always up to drag race up the freeway till both our cars tached out at about 75-80 depending on the direction the wind was blowing :P belching smoke and everyone behind us eye's burning from the fumes lol

I'm gonna go way out on the limb here and predict that he has a 617 turbo. Since Jimmy isn't around, just this one time lets all pretend that 300TD means turbo diesel.:D

So I think with the right mods, his Dodge truck will probably be able to do at least 60 and get there within 25-30 seconds.

Leonoo click here and start reading. BTW TD means touring diesel, not turbo diesel. That is MB speak for a station wagon. If you put an entire station wagon in your Dodge, it's gonna be slow. Now if you had a Cummins under the hood with the right mods, you wouldn't even feel that wagon in the back of your truck. :D

ForcedInduction 02-12-2009 03:05 AM

There is a pretty good reason Dodge chose a 5.9L Cummins with 400lb/ft of torque instead of a 3.0L engine with 180lb/ft of torque.

You can remove the fuel rack limiter and get about 15hp. To get any more than that will take a few thousand dollars in modifications.


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