Does anybody here know if the new ca law affecting trucks and buses will have any effect over our cars? Just wandering because i just saw a guy selling his diesel on Craigslist and he says car wont be abole to be driven as of next month due to new ca emmisions law, maybe hes wrong or maybe i havent heard right i just was on http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onrdiesel/onrdiesel.htm and i didnt see anything regarding cars
Thank you boys and girls, women and children and all of the above.

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W123 1985 300TD naturally aspirated

Ah, yes, the Gold Coast stikes again. Your gold, their coast. Good luck dealing with the bas....rds of the state's rank and file. Ya, know, Obamma fired GMs CEO in order to achieve a more progressive attitude in running that company. Trouble is, that CEO was one of the most progressive guys in the last 30 years or so. However, there is a fine point Obamma may have missed. We change Presidents of the US every four years, barring impeachment or death. Is the Fed. govt. any better for this? Not in my lifetime (I' m 64). Big institutions, the fed.govt., GM (etc.), and big states (Cali.) just won't change till you get down to the rank and file that run the place.

However, I think you should not worry about your diesel ride. Just keep on running till they pry the keys "from your cold dead hands" ala Charlton Heston.

Good luck

Regards

Run-Em

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1983 300SD - SPARKY THE DIESEL
2004 Audi TT 3.2 Quattro Roadster
1999 SLK - aka - LIL RED
1956 Chevy Nomad - aka - REAL MAD
1940 Ford dbl dr. Deluxe - aka - ORANGE U GLAD
1998 Kawasaki Nomad bike --

Affected vehicles include on-road heavy-duty diesel fueled vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) greater than 14,000 pounds, yard trucks with off-road certified engines, and diesel fueled shuttle vehicles of any GVWR. Out-of-state trucks and buses that operate in California are also subject to the regulation.


So, with this description cars are not included. MY question is (coming from a CDL holder's point of view) when did 14,000 lbs become "heavy duty?" Because if I am to understand this, a farmer with an F-250 and a horse trailer is screwed. Also, can some cockamamie neo-socialist include a privately owned car as a 'shuttle vehicle' or is that to mean school and church buses?

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1987 300D (230,000 mi on a #14 head-watching the temp gauge and keeping the ghost in the machine)
Raleigh NC - Home of deep fried sushi!

8500lb is the EPA reg weight limit for "medium duty"...

hence why the 3/4 ton and heavier pick ups have diesels, the 1/2 tons don't - different set of regulations.

I'm not 100% on this - but as I recall - there is another reg difference at 14k, I think at that point the EPA certs are done on engine dyno's - as so many of those vehicles are sold as incompletes and end up with different "bodies" on the back - and therefore different aerodynamics - it would be nearly impossible to road coast down all the different body combinations which would be required for a chassis dyno cert.

Just more evidence to me that the "green states" are getting further out of touch with reality. I don't think any politician realizes the amount of cost involved in having multiple regulations - test equipment is expensive - takes months/years to design install and prove out, and is expensive to run and maintain once online.... not to mention all the engineering and technician time required to run all the calibrations and tests required to pass said regs.... there should be ONE SET of FEDERAL regs - the States should never have been allowed to impose thier own. Come to think of it - it sure would be nice if the European Union would sit down with the US EPA and figure out a "global standard" - now THAT would be efficient! and hopefully we'd see more of europes slick diesels over here!

sorry - off soap box.

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95 E300 Diesel 265k and counting

There was a thread here a few weeks ago, something to the effect that 1997 and newer diesels would have to have a bi-annual smog check similar to the ones that gassers have now. I can't find the link now.

[rant] The diesels that really need cleaning up are large trucks, off-road (construction and farm) equipment, stationary engines (generators), and railroad locomotives. Diesel cars are a drop in the bucket. The politicians pick on them because we aren't organized and don't have the political influence that the truckers do. Then the politicians can say "we're doing something about pollution." [/rant]

Jeremy

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"Buster" in the '95

Our all-Diesel family
1996 E300D (W210) . .338,000 miles Wife's car
2005 E320 CDI . . 113,000 miles My car
Santa Rosa population 176,762 (2022)
Total. . . . . . . . . . . . 627,762
"Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz."
-- Janis Joplin, October 1, 1970

Trailers arent' vehicles. Nor are they diesel powered.

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1982 240 D, 308,000 - 321,127 miles (sold)
1982 300 TD,166,500 - 226,000 miles
1998 E 320, 120,000 - 144,000 miles
2005 C 230 K, 26,000 - 77,000 miles (sold)

This comment is slightly off subject; but here in CA maybe 1-2 times a year I have seen Road Side Check Points (in the City not on the Freeway) where they were pulling Cars over and spot checking if and smog related stuff was disconnected or modified.

In the Forum there has often been Threads/Posts concerning the removal or rendering disfunctional EGRs.

In an inspection an EGR removed would be obvious and they know to check for a "BB" in the Vacuum Hoses as this is also a common thing that people do on Gas engined cars (I used to have a Test and Rapair Lics and the BB thing is in their manual of what to look for).

I expect that some day the random inspections will be common place.

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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel

If I were a company that moved freight, I would be looking north, and moving my business, as opposed to replacing all of my equipment, only to have them continue, with what ever they decide to do next!

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83 300SD Dark Silver Dark brown inside

We already have that here in WA state but for vehicles 25 years and newer. All they do is check opacity of the exhaust. I'm sure the peoples republic of Kali will think of something stricter to screw with the people.

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DJ


84 300D Turbodiesel 190K with 4 speed manual sold in 03/2012

Wow...

I had a CA smog license until 2000 and even then, word of impending diesel inspections was discussed in my classes...Robert

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Did you just pass my 740 at 200 kmh in a 300SD?????

1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013



100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership

Detroit Diesel's new engines in large trucks actually run cleaner than gasoline powered engines. In fact they were designed with CA stricter emission laws in mind. Their newest engine is actually a Mercedes engine.
I've seen one run on an engine stand and you can still carry a conversation next to it with it running at full throttle.

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DJ


84 300D Turbodiesel 190K with 4 speed manual sold in 03/2012

I'm actually surprised given how "green" CA is that they don't already smog-test light-duty diesels. In many other states including mine all light-duty diesels (below 8000 lbs I think) between 2 and 40 years old have to undergo an annual exhaust opacity test. It's really not a big deal and it's very easy to pass, but it costs almost $40 which is more than the typical gas smog check.

I wouldn't worry about having to modify or abandon your light-duty diesel. Just keep on driving and worry about something real.

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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual)

Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL

Wow! That's pretty awesome stuff. Diesels have come a reeeal long way, for sure.

CA probably considers H2 Hummers and Escalades cleaner than Golf Tdi's....right? Those screwed up laws are part of the bigger problem with US fuel consumption. A vehicle that uses 5x as much fuel is in no way cleaner than one using such a small amount.

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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life-
'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

That's starting to change now that CO2 is considered a pollutant and fuel economy standards are on the rise. I don't think the Hummer has a very bright future to say the least.

The new TDI's are now 50-state legal again and very clean in all aspects. The older ones had some trouble at times meeting CA's strict NOx emissions.

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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual)

Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL

Aircraft
Unregulated internal combustion engines
Everything else
Regulated combustion engines.

Way,Way down the list...Diesel/Electric Locomotives.

"Carriage Trade" will soon have a new meaning(Understanding) in California.

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'84 300SD sold
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