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Ultra-low sulfur diesel
Do you guys put anything in you fuel,to help out,I was reading this is bad for old diesels? Iam using at little bit 2 cyc ashless oil in more fuel for lube.
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Tests show:
As little as 2% BioDiesel added to the ULSD makes up for the lack of Lubricity.
EDIT: As you'll note on reply #11 below 2Cycle ashless is number seven on the list as opposed to BioDiesel being number one.
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Per ASTM requirements, ULSD has the same lubricity as LSD before it. Its a non-issue.
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I've been running ULSD for two years now, with zero issues so far.
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NRC white paper on ULSD lubricity lack
[ALERT this is a RePost] [All Ostriches to conceal craniums]
ULSD NRC Findings (1) UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION OFFICE OF NUCLEAR REACTOR REGULATION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20555-0001 October 12, 2006 NRC INFORMATION NOTICE 2006-22: NEW ULTRA-LOW-SULFUR DIESEL FUEL OIL COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT DIESEL ENGINE PERFORMANCE ADDRESSEES All holders of operating licenses for nuclear power reactors, except those who have permanently ceased operations and have certified that fuel has been permanently removed from the reactor vessel. PURPOSE The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) is issuing this information notice (IN) to alert licensees to the potential for new ultra-low-sulfur diesel (ULSD) fuel oil to adversely impact engine performance. It is expected that recipients will review the information for applicability to their facilities and consider actions, as appropriate, to avoid similar problems. However, suggestions contained in this IN are not NRC requirements; therefore, no specific action or written response is required. DESCRIPTION OF CIRCUMSTANCES In January 2001 and in June 2004, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) finalized the Clean Diesel Trucks and Buses Rule and the Clean Nonroad Diesel Rule, respectively, with more stringent standards for new diesel engines and fuels (http://www.epa.gov/oms/regs/fuels/diesel/diesel.htm). The EPA rules require a reduction in the sulfur content of highway diesel fuel from its current level of 500 parts per million (ppm) (low sulfur diesel, or LSD) to 15 ppm (ULSD). Refiners were required to start producing the cleaner-burning diesel fuel ULSD, for use in highway vehicles beginning June 1, 2006. The EPA requires sulfur reductions for land-based nonroad diesel fuel to be accomplished in two steps, with an interim step from currently uncontrolled levels to a 500 ppm cap starting in June 2007 and the final step to 15 ppm in June 2010. Although the EPA requirements for the 15 ppm ULSD do not take effect until 2010 for nonroad diesel fuel, several nuclear power plant licensees have received shipments of ULSD. The California Air Resources Board regulations require that all California users of diesel fuel oil transition to ULSD fuel oil by June 1, 2006. Some licensees have already received (and all licensees will eventually receive) ULSD fuel oil from petroleum product refiners, distributors, and wholesalers and may have started using this fuel in diesel engines that provide functions important to safety. Examples of diesel engines ML062710079
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NRC white paper on ULSD lubricity lack
ULSD NRC findings (2)
IN 2006-22 Page 2 of 5 providing functions important to safety include: Emergency diesel generators (EDGs), dieseldriven fire pumps, diesel-driven auxiliary feedwater pumps, diesel-driven essential service water makeup pumps, diesel-driven instrument air compressors, security diesel generators, safe shutdown facility diesel generators, diesel generators for emergency preparedness and response functions, and station blackout diesel generators. There are several diesel fuel properties other than sulfur concentration that change as a result of moving to ULSD that may adversely effect the engine performance including: Energy Content In general, the processing required to reduce sulfur to 15 ppm also reduces the aromatics content and density of diesel fuel, resulting in a reduction in volumetric energy content (BTU/gallon). The expected reduction in energy content is 1.2 percent or more. Less energy content of the fuel can reduce the instantaneous output rating of the diesel engine. The reduced output rating may be less than the value specified in the plant’s design and licensing basis, potentially rendering the diesel inoperable. The reduced energy capacity of the ULSD may result in increased fuel consumption such that the onsite diesel fuel storage capacity for the emergency diesel generators may be insufficient to satisfy the plant’s design and licensing basis for diesel operation duration before offsite replenishment is needed. The reduced energy capacity may also lengthen the amount of time needed for the emergency diesel generators to reach the required speed and voltage. Fuel Particulate Build-up Increases Additives to increase lubricity and to inhibit corrosion used by different refineries and wholesale suppliers can react or become unstable in storage, which can result in increased fuel particulates that may foul or plug filters and fuel injection equipment, and can affect suitability of some testing methods. Some nuclear plant licensees using ULSD have observed an increase in the rate of particulate buildup in samples from their diesel fuel oil storage tanks. Fuel System Seal Leaks Non-nuclear industry operating experience using ULSD shows an increased incidence of fuel system leaks at points where elastomers (O-rings) are used to seal joints, with most leaks occurring at the fuel pump and injectors. The evidence to date suggests the problem is linked to a reduction in the aromatics content of the ULSD which affects seal swelling, as does seal material and age of the material. Compatibility with Lubricating Oil As discussed in NRC IN 96-67, “Vulnerability of Emergency Diesel Generators to Fuel Oil/Lubricating Oil Incompatibility,” lubricating oil contains an additive package that neutralizes the products of combustion, most importantly sulfuric acid, to prevent engine corrosion. With
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NRC white paper on ULSD Lubricity lack
ULSD NRC findings (3)
IN 2006-22 Page 3 of 5 reduced amount of sulfur, there is more unreacted additive in the lubricating oil, which may result in the formation of deposits when some of the oil is burned. These deposits can build up behind the piston rings, forcing the rings to extrude and come into contact with the cylinder liner wall, resulting in scuffing. Microbial Growth Diesel fuel that was desulfured at the refinery through hydrocracking (versus hydrotreatment) may have a greater propensity for microbial growth due to an increased concentration of n-alkanes (linear molecules). Incompatible Metals There are no known compatibility issues with aluminum, carbon steel, stainless steel, and bronze. However, copper and zinc are incompatible with ULSD because both are oxidative catalysts that will accelerate the formation of sediments, gels, and soaps (American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) D975, Appendix X2.7.2). Lubricity Lubricity is a measure of the fuel’s ability to lubricate and protect the various parts of the engine’s fuel injection system from wear. The processing required to reduce sulfur to 15 ppm also removes naturally-occurring lubricity agents in diesel fuel. Rotary and distributor type fuel pumps are completely fuel lubricated resulting in high sensitivity to fuel lubricity. Refiners treat the diesel fuel with additives on a batch to batch basis to ensure adequate lubricity. Therefore, receipt of ULSD with inadequate lubricity is possible but unlikely. BACKGROUND Applicable Regulatory Documents General Design Criterion (GDC) 17, “Electric Power Systems,” of Appendix A, “General Design Criteria for Nuclear Power Plants,” to Title 10 of the Code of Federal Regulations (10 CFR) Part 50, “Domestic Licensing of Production and Utilization Facilities,” requires that an onsite electric power system and an offsite electric power system be provided to permit functioning of structures, systems, and components important to safety. In addition, GDC 17 contains requirements concerning system capacity, capability, independence, redundancy, availability, testability, and reliability. Appendix B, “Quality Assurance Criteria for Nuclear Power Plants and Fuel Reprocessing Plants,” to 10 CFR Part 50 establishes overall quality assurance requirements for the design, construction, and operation of structures, systems, and components important to safety.
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NRC white paper on ULSD Lubricity lack
ULSD NRC findings (4)
IN 2006-22 Page 4 of 5 Regulatory Guide (RG) 1.137, Revision 1, “Fuel Oil Systems for Standby Diesel Generators” dated October 1979, describes a method acceptable to the NRC staff for complying with the Commission’s regulations regarding diesel fuel oil systems for standby diesel generators and assurance of adequate diesel fuel oil quality. RG 1.137 states that Appendix B to American National Standards Institute (ANSI) N195-1976 should be used as a basis for a program to ensure the initial and continuing quality of diesel fuel oil as supplemented by eight additional provisions described in the RG for maintaining the properties and quality of diesel fuel oil. Related NRC Generic Communications NRC IN 96-67, “Vulnerability of Emergency Diesel Generators to Fuel Oil/Lubricating Oil Incompatibility,” dated December 19, 1996. This IN alerted addressees to a finding involving degradation of the power block assembly of two EDGs caused by an incompatibility of the lubricating oil with a low-sulfur-content diesel fuel oil. NRC IN 91-46, “Degradation of Emergency Diesel Generator Fuel Oil Delivery Systems,” dated July 18, 1991. This IN alerted addressees to potential inoperability of multiple EDGs resulting from common cause degradations: (1) degraded diesel fuel oil delivery systems and (2) failure to meet technical specification (TS) testing requirements intended to detect potentiallydegraded quality of the diesel fuel oil stored onsite. NRC Generic Letter (GL) 83-26, “Clarification of Surveillance Requirements for Diesel Fuel Impurity Level Tests.” This GL provided licensees revised surveillance provisions for diesel fuel oil impurity level tests to clearly reflect the relationship between the Standard TS testing requirements for diesel fuel oil impurity levels; guidance given in RG 1.137, Revision 1, and ANSI N195-1976 (ASTM D270, ASTM D975 and ASTM D2274); and the NRC staff review performed in accordance with Standard Review Plan Sections 9.5.4 through 9.5.8. DISCUSSION In January 2001 and in June 2004, the EPA finalized the Clean Diesel Trucks and Buses Rule and the Clean Nonroad Diesel Rule, respectively, with more stringent standards for new diesel engines and fuels that require a reduction in diesel fuel sulfur content to 15 ppm. Some licensees have already received, and all will eventually receive, this ULSD. As described above, the ULSD has a number of properties that have the potential to degrade or render inoperable the associated diesel engine or may create a condition that is inconsistent with current plant design and licensing bases. This ULSD issue is of particular concern because it effects all licensee diesel generators that are safety-related and/or important to safety, thereby, presenting a possible common mode failure. Licensees can evaluate the potential impacts of ULSD and can take measures to ensure the plant is consistent with the current design and licensing basis and prevent the diesels from being rendered inoperable or significantly degraded.
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NRC white paper on ULSD Lubricity lack
ULSD NRC findings (5)
IN 2006-22 Page 5 of 5 CONTACT This information notice requires no specific action or written response. Please direct any questions about this matter to the technical contacts listed below or the appropriate Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation (NRR) project manager. Ho K. Nieh, Acting Director /RA/ Division of Policy and Rulemaking Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation Technical Contacts: Patrick Finney, RI Robert Wolfgang, NRR/DCI 610-337-5344 301-415-1624 E-mail: pwf@nrc.gov E-mail: rjw1@nrc.gov Timothy Mitts, NRR/DIRS Max Schneider, RI 301-415-4067 860-447-3170 E-mail: tmm5@nrc.gov E-mail: sms2@nrc.gov Note: NRC generic communications may be found on the NRC public Web site, http://www.nrc.gov, under Electronic Reading Room/Document Collections.
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ULSD lack of Lubricity
Credit to "Gunship Pilot"
of Rawalpindi,Lahore,Pakistan gentlemen ! here is a study which scientifically proves that whether the oil should be added or not......I think this will clarify many of the doubts which we have....... Study The following are the preliminary results of a research study on diesel fuel Lubricity Additives. There is likely to be further commentary and explanation added at a future time. PURPOSE: The purpose of this research was to determine the ability of multiple diesel fuel additives to replace the vital lubricity component in ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel) fuel. HISTORY: ULSD fuel is the fuel currently mandated for use in all on road diesel engines. This fuel burns cleaner and is less polluting than it’s predecessor, called Low Sulfer Diesel Fuel. Low sulfer fuel contained less than 500 ppm of sulfer. ULSD contains 15 ppm or less. As diesel fuel is further refined to remove the polluting sulfer, it is inadvertently stripped of its lubricating properties. This vital lubrication is a necessary component of the diesel fuel as it prevents wear in the fuel delivery system. Specifically, it lubricates pumps, high pressure pumps and injectors. Traditional Low sulfer diesel fuel typically contained enough lubricating ability to suffice the needs of these vital components. ULSD fuel, on the other hand, is considered to be very “dry” and incapable of lubricating vital fuel delivery components. As a result, these components are at risk of premature and even catastrophic failure when ULSD fuel is introduced to the system. As a result, all oil companies producing ULSD fuel must replace the lost lubricity with additives. All ULSD fuel purchased at retail fuel stations SHOULD be adequately treated with additives to replace this lost lubricity. The potential result of using inadequately treated fuel, as indicated above, can be catastrophic. There have been many documented cases of randomly tested samples of diesel fuel. These tests prove that often times the fuel we purchase is not adequately treated and may therefore contribute to accelerated wear of our fuel delivery systems. For this reason it may be prudent to use an after market diesel fuel additive to ENSURE adequate lubrication of the fuel delivery system. Additionally, many additives can offer added benefits such as cetane improver, and water separators or emulsifiers. CONTENT: In this study we will test multiple diesel fuel additives designed to replace lost lubricity. The primary component of this study is a side-by-side laboratory analysis of each additive’s ability to replace this vital lubricity. Additionally, claims of improving cetane, water separation or emulsification, bio-diesel compatibility and alcohol content will be noted. These notes were derived from information that was readily available to consumers (via the label and internet information) and none of this information has been evaluated for validity and/or performance. Cetane information has only been noted if the word “cetane” was used in the advertising information. The words “improves power” has not been translated to mean “improves cetane” in this evaluation. Information on alcohol content is provided by indicating “contains no alcohol”. Omission of the words “contains no alcohol” does not imply that it does contain alcohol. This information was simply missing in the information available to a consumer. However, the possibility of a form of alcohol in these products is possible. Additionally, information on dosages and cost per tankful are included for comparison purposes. How Diesel Fuel Is Evaluated For Lubricating Ability: Diesel fuel and other fluids are tested for lubricating ability using a device called a “High Frequency Reciprocating Rig” or HFRR. The HFRR is currently the Internationally accepted, standardized method to evaluate fluids for lubricating ability. It uses a ball bearing that reciprocates or moves back and forth on a metal surface at a very high frequency for a duration of 90 minutes. The machine does this while the ball bearing and metal surface are immersed in the test fluid (in this case, treated diesel fuel). At the end of the test the ball bearing is examined under a microscope and the “wear scar” on the ball bearing is measured in microns. The larger the wear scar, the poorer the lubricating ability of the fluid. Southwest Research runs every sample twice and averages the size of the wear scar. The U.S. standard for diesel fuel says a commercially available diesel fuel should produce a wear scar of no greater than 520 microns. The Engine Manufacturers Association had requested a standard of a wear scar no greater than 460 microns, typical of the pre-ULSD fuels. Most experts agree that a 520 micron standard is adequate, but also that the lower the wear scar the better. __________________
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ULSD lack of Lubricity
Credit to "Gunship Pilot"
of Rawalpindi,Lahore,Pakistan METHOD: An independent research firm in Texas was hired to do the laboratory work. The cost of the research was paid for voluntarily by the participating additive manufacturers. Declining to participate and pay for the research were the following companies: Amsoil and Power Service. Because these are popular products it was determined that they needed to be included in the study. These products were tested using funds collected by diesel enthusiasts at “dieselplace.com”. Additionally, unconventional additives such as 2-cycle oil and used motor oil were tested for their abilities to aid in diesel fuel lubricity. These were also paid for by members of “dieselplace.com”. The study was conducted in the following manner: -The Research firm obtained a quantity of “untreated” ULSD fuel from a supplier. This fuel was basic ULSD fuel intended for use in diesel engines. However, this sample was acquired PRIOR to any attempt to additize the fuel for the purpose of replacing lost lubricity. In other words, it was a “worst case scenario, very dry diesel fuel” that would likely cause damage to any fuel delivery system. This fuel was tested using the HFRR at the Southwest Research Laboratory. This fuel was determined to have a very high HFRR score of 636 microns, typical of an untreated ULSD fuel. It was determined that this batch of fuel would be utilized as the baseline fuel for testing all of the additives. The baseline fuel HFRR score of 636 would be used as the control sample. All additives tested would be evaluated on their ability to replace lost lubricity to the fuel by comparing their scores to the control sample. Any score under 636 shows improvement to the fuels ability to lubricate the fuel delivery system of a diesel engine. BLIND STUDY: In order to ensure a completely unbiased approach to the study, the following steps were taken: Each additive tested was obtained independently via internet or over the counter purchases. The only exceptions were Opti-Lube XPD and the bio-diesel sample. The reason for this is because Opti-Lube XPD additive was considered “experimental” at the time of test enrollment and was not yet on the market. It was sent directly from Opti-Lube company. The bio-diesel sample was sponsored by Renewable Energy Group. One of their suppliers, E.H. Wolf and Sons in Slinger, Wisconsin supplied us with a sample of 100% soybean based bio-diesel. This sample was used to blend with the baseline fuel to create a 2% bio-diesel for testing. Each additive was bottled separately in identical glass containers. The bottles were labeled only with a number. This number corresponded to the additive contained in the bottle. The order of numbering was done randomly by drawing names out of a hat. Only Spicer Research held the key to the additives in each bottle. The additive samples were then sent in a box to An independent research firm. The only information given them was the ratio of fuel to be added to each additive sample. For example, bottle “A” needs to be mixed at a ratio of “480-1”. The ratio used for each additive was the “prescribed dosage” found on the bottle label for that product. Used motor oil and 2-cycle oil were tested at a rationally chosen ratio of 200:1. The Research Laboratory mixed the proper ratio of each “bottled fluid” into a separate container containing the baseline fuel. The data, therefore, is meaningful because every additive is tested in the same way using the same fuel. A side-by-side comparison of the effectiveness of each additive is now obtainable. THE RESULTS: These results are listed in the order of performance in the HFRR test. The baseline fuel used in every test started at an HFRR score of 636. The score shown is the tested HFRR score of the baseline fuel/additive blend. Also included is the wear scar improvement provided by the additive as well as other claimed benefits of the additive. Each additive is also categorized as a Multi-purpose additive, Multi-purpose + anti-gel, Lubricity only, non-conventional, or as an additive capable of treating both gasoline and diesel fuel. As a convenience to the reader there is also information on price per treated tank of diesel fuel (using a 26 gallon tank), and dosage per 26 gallon tank provided as “ounces of additive per 26 gallon tank”. In Order Of Performance: 1) 2% REG SoyPower biodiesel HFRR 221, 415 micron improvement. 50:1 ratio of baseline fuel to 100% biodiesel 66.56 oz. of 100% biodiesel per 26 gallons of diesel fuel Price: market value 2)Opti-Lube XPD Multi-purpose + anti-gel cetane improver, demulsifier HFRR 317, 319 micron improvement. 256:1 ratio 13 oz/tank $4.35/tank 3)FPPF RV, Bus, SUV Diesel/Gas fuel treatment Gas and Diesel cetane improver, emulsifier HFRR 439, 197 micron improvement 640:1 ratio 5.2 oz/tank $2.60/tank 4)Opti-Lube Summer Blend Multi-purpose demulsifier HFRR 447, 189 micron improvement 3000:1 ratio 1.11 oz/tank $0.68/tank 5)Opti-Lube Winter Blend Muti-purpose + anti-gel cetane improver HFRR 461, 175 micron improvement 512:1 ratio 6.5 oz/tank $3.65/tank 6)Schaeffer Diesel Treat 2000 Multi-purpose + anti-gel cetane improver, emulsifier, bio-diesel compatible HFRR 470, 166 micron improvement 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $1.87/tank 7)Super Tech Outboard 2-cycle TC-W3 engine oil Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 or newer systems) HFRR 474, 162 micron improvement 200:1 ratio 16.64 oz/tank $1.09/tank 8)Stanadyne Lubricity Formula Lubricity Only demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free HFRR 479, 157 micron improvement 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $1.00/tank 9)Amsoil Diesel Concentrate Multi-purpose demulsifier, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free HFRR 488, 148 micron improvement 640:1 ratio 5.2 oz/tank $2.16/tank 10)Power Service Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Multi-purpose Cetane improver, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free HFRR 575, 61 micron improvement 400:1 ratio 8.32 oz/tank $1.58/tank 11)Howe’s Meaner Power Kleaner Multi-purpose Alcohol free HFRR 586, 50 micron improvement 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $1.36/tank 12)Stanadyne Performance Formula Multi-purpose + anti-gel cetane improver, demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free HFRR 603, 33 micron improvement 480:1 ratio 6.9 oz/tank $4.35/tank 13)Used Motor Oil, Shell Rotella T 15w40, 5,000 miles used. Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage systems) HFRR 634, 2 micron improvement 200:1 ratio 16.64 oz/tank price: market value 14)Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant Gas or diesel HFRR 641, 5 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant change) 427:1 ratio 7.8 oz/tank $2.65/tank 15)B1000 Diesel Fuel Conditioner by Milligan Biotech Multi-purpose, canola oil based additive HFRR 644, 8 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant change) 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $2.67/tank 16)FPPF Lubricity Plus Fuel Power Multi-purpose + anti-gel Emulsifier, alcohol free HFRR 675, 39 microns worse than baseline fuel 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $1.12/tank 17)Marvel Mystery Oil Gas, oil and Diesel fuel additive (NOT ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 and newer systems) HFRR 678, 42 microns worse than baseline fuel. 320:1 ratio 10.4 oz/tank $3.22/tank 18)ValvTect Diesel Guard Heavy Duty/Marine Diesel Fuel Additive Multi-purpose Cetane improver, emulsifier, alcohol free HFRR 696, 60 microns worse than baseline fuel 1000:1 ratio 3.32 oz/tank $2.38/tank 19)Primrose Power Blend 2003 Multi-purpose Cetane boost, bio-diesel compatible, emulsifier HFRR 711, 75 microns worse than baseline 1066:1 ratio 3.12 oz/tank $1.39/tank CONCLUSIONS: Products 1 through 4 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 460 or better. This meets the most strict requirements requested by the Engine Manufacturers Association. Products 1 through 9 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 520 or better, meeting the U.S. diesel fuel requirements for maximum wear scar in a commercially available diesel fuel. Products 16 through 19 were found to cause the fuel/additive blend to perform worse than the baseline fuel. The cause for this is speculative. This is not unprecedented in HFRR testing and can be caused by alcohol or other components in the additives. Further investigation into the possibilities behind these poor results will investigated. Any additive testing within +/- 20 microns of the baseline fuel could be considered to have no significant change. The repeatability of this test allows for a +/- 20 micron variability to be considered insignificant. CREDITS: This study would not have been possible without the participation of all companies involved and dieselplace.com. A special Thank You to all of the dieselplace.com members who generously donated toward this study and waited longer than they should have for the results. You folks are the best. Arlen Spicer, organizer. Flying is my passion. Replied on January 16, 2009
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In fairness to Redline Synthetic Oil Company
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You were told wrong. There is no problem with ULSD.
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Sorry FI, but my experience is otherwise. Redline 85 significantly reduces nailing in one of my engines. Its the cheapest remedy I have found short of rebuilding the IP.
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Nailing has nothing to do with lubricity or sulfur. |
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