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Old 06-28-2009, 05:06 PM
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My $1000 '85 300D make 57 RWHP!

That's right, 57 HP at the rear wheels.

I bought this car about a month ago and aside from the lack of power I am very happy with it. It has 233,xxx miles and is in OK shape.

It made 8.5lb of boost on the dyno and increasing the boost actually caused me to lose power.
I adjusted the ADLA and that did pick the power up a fair amount down low but had no effect on overall power. I have since completely removed it but still get no smoke and no noticeable power increase.

All of the filters have been checked or replaced.
The valves have been adjusted.

I think my injection pump just isn't feeding the motor enough fuel. I'm not looking to make the car smoke but at this point I would like to see some just so I could turn the boost up a little.
Unless someone has some different suggestions I am doing my research so I can turn the pump up to feed more fuel to the engine.

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Old 06-28-2009, 05:13 PM
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Make sure the linkage from the accelerator pedal is pushing the lever on the injector pump all the way to the full fuel stop. They sometimes get sloppy over time and don't go to full fuel when floored.
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Old 06-28-2009, 05:25 PM
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Is your tach working?
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Old 06-28-2009, 05:31 PM
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I have checked the throttle linkage a couple times hoping it would be that simple but I'm not that lucky.

My tach is another issue.
When I bought the car it didn't work, then it fixed itself.?
I was driving along one day and it just started working. Recently it has reverted back to being intermittent. It seems to work under acceleration and decell but is flaky at part throttle. Almost like it has a bad ground that that gets completed when the motor rocks one way or the other.
Why do you ask?


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Old 06-28-2009, 05:33 PM
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Have you cleaned the tank strainer?
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Old 06-28-2009, 05:35 PM
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something isn't right with your engine, you should have more than 57 HP at the wheels.

Are you sure the brakes aren't draging.
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Old 06-28-2009, 05:37 PM
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RWHP should be around 95 on a well tuned engine I would think.

My headunit in my car can measure it based on inputs of car weight and engine HP...and claims that at max acceleration mine puts down around 92 or so....pretty accurate!
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Have you cleaned the tank strainer?

It was clean enough to eat off of!
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Old 06-28-2009, 05:40 PM
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something isn't right with your engine, you should have more than 57 HP at the wheels.

Are you sure the brakes aren't draging.
I'm not 100% sure but that is usually pretty easy to notice on the dyno.
We made at least a dozen pulls when we had it on the dyno. If they were dragging they should have been smoking.

I am also under the impression that with the ADLA removed I should be blowing a little smoke and I have none.
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I have checked the throttle linkage a couple times hoping it would be that simple but I'm not that lucky.

My tach is another issue.
When I bought the car it didn't work, then it fixed itself.?
I was driving along one day and it just started working. Recently it has reverted back to being intermittent. It seems to work under acceleration and decell but is flaky at part throttle. Almost like it has a bad ground that that gets completed when the motor rocks one way or the other.
Why do you ask?


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My OVP was dead even though the fuse was ok. This caused my tach and my turbo to stop working entirely. Apparently on the 85 many things are tied into the tach including the EGR. I'm not sure if plugging the vaccum or otherwise disabling it would get the turbo to function without the electrical issues being resolved. I can only talk about my experience because the 85 electrical system is entirely unique from earlier years.

For me, even when I fiddled trying to disable my EGR I couldn't get the turbo to engage. I put the lines back, replaced the OVP and it immediately worked, blasting smoke power and all.

Again, you may have another issue here. I just know that when my tach died my turbo went with it.
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Old 06-28-2009, 06:20 PM
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X2 on the throttle linkage. When you checked it..... Did you have someone sit in the car and look at it go to the full stop as they pushed the pedal? Did you visually see it hit the stop?

If the EGR has been operational over all those miles your intake could be plugged up quite a bit too.

Assuming you did the usual things like an air filter, fuel filters and valve adjustment.
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Old 06-28-2009, 08:38 PM
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X2 on the throttle linkage. When you checked it..... Did you have someone sit in the car and look at it go to the full stop as they pushed the pedal? Did you visually see it hit the stop?

If the EGR has been operational over all those miles your intake could be plugged up quite a bit too.

Assuming you did the usual things like an air filter, fuel filters and valve adjustment.
Yes, someone was in the car with their foot on the floor and the throttle was against the stop.

The EGR is still hooked up. If the intake was plugged wouldn't I have a lot of fuel and not much air resulting in a lot of smoke?
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If the intake was plugged wouldn't I have a lot of fuel and not much air resulting in a lot of smoke?
I would think so.

Ok, new idea. I've heard that sometimes partial vacuum can be supplied to the shutoff valve when it shouldn't be, resulting in lack of power. Try unhooking your shutoff and see what happens.
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It seems to me that we used to call this brake horsepower BWP - this was the horsepower created at the rear wheels after it passed through the tranny and drive train. Is this what you are calling RWHP or is RWHP the correct term?
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I believe that BHP is totally diferent from RWHP (I learned this stuff a long time ago, and the memory isn't perfect) and the definitions are: Brake Horse Power refers to a device that 'brakes' (stalls) a bare engine, RWHP refers to the as-installed power, tranny, drive belts, etc connected.

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