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Old 07-31-2009, 11:42 PM
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300d won't turn off in a timely fashion...Vacuum Issue with the I/P Perhaps?

The car in question is a 300D 1985 turbo. The engine takes a long time to shut off after I turn the key to the off position. An educated guess on what is happen is there is a vacuum problem with the I/P shutoff component. I can feel and hear a slight pulsing when idling. I traced the sound/pulsing/vibration back to the I/P. It could be my imagination but I feel that the I/P could be in need of vacuum or has vacuum to give. It may have something to do with the problem, or maybe I am just searching. Through diagnostic of the problem multiple vacuum lines have been found that are disconnected, and I have no idea where they are supposed to go. I have looked at multiple vacuum line diagrams on threads of this forum, but could not find the lines that are disconnected on them. So I will describe what I know. I have traced a black tube that is disconnected on the interior side of firewall back to the I/P. Another larger black tube the is disconnected on the interior side of the firewall then goes into the engine compartment and splits off into two smaller tube. Those tube then go to to unidentified components on the drivers side front fender. The last tube is a green tube with a yellow line that is disconnect just above the oil filter housing. I was able to trace this tube back through the firewall into the interior then above the steering column where I where I loose sight of it. I have several pictures laying out the where the lines go in and out of and would be happy if anyone could give me a clue on what is what. I am looking for advice to help find homes for these hoses. Further, Before I start digging in to the area above the steering column and below the cluster I need a few helpful hints on where these hoses go. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions they anybody might have.
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:46 PM
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Your text is too small.
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Old 08-01-2009, 08:07 AM
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The green line is for the climate control. The smaller black line is a vent to the cabin. I imagine you have a leak in the system somewhere and the PO decided to start disconnecting lines to get the engine to shut off with the key.
Not sure what those components on the fender are.
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Old 08-01-2009, 11:39 AM
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I am assuming you have no other vacuum related prblems like poor power braking.

Besides the actual Vacuum Shutoff Valve on the IP itself there is a Shutoff Valve that sits on top of the Steering Wheel Locking Housing under the Dashboard (cost about $25 + shipping) and the tubing/hoses that go to it that can leak.
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Old 08-01-2009, 02:19 PM
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A leak anywhere in the system will cause slow shut off. I'd first check into that green line and either reconnect it or plug off the line to which it should be connected.
You can test the shut off valve on the back of the IP by putting a piece of vacuum hose in place of the brown vacuum line and sucking on it with the engine running. It should shut off with 2 or 3 good sucks. If it does, your vacuum leak is elsewhere. If it does not shut off, the shut off diaphragm is bad and you'll need to replace the shut off valve.

Some of the best diagnosticians on here are old farts. If you want to get answers from them as well as from smart ass kids, make your font bigger.
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For the Old Farts (including myself), "CTRL +" will make text bigger and "CTRL -" smaller. In the meantime, I'll bet Manzone has a Macquintosh(R). They tend to do strange things with text size when viewed on a PC.
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Do a search for "shut off valve."
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Gentleman of the forum thank you for all of your feedback. I will take all of these good suggestions and next time I am a diagram I will make the text larger. Further I will explore some of he suggestions made about the car problem. Lastly, I welcome anymore helpful hints.

Directly responding to Kerry s suggestion, I cannot locate where the green hose with the yellow line goes inside the engine compartment. Toomany MBZ said that the green hose is the for climate control.

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Old 08-02-2009, 02:00 AM
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Brown is for shutoff. Get a mityvac and test the shutoff control valve at the back of the injection pump. If it shuts off normally when you apply vacuum with the mightyvac then the problem is a leak in the total vacuum system. If it does not shut off quickly with the application of vacuum using the mityvac then it is the shutoff diaphragm. Replace the shutoff diaphragm and you will be fine.

If it is a leak in the total system then you must isolate each major component of the system to determine which section of the vacuum system has a leak

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Old 08-02-2009, 09:16 AM
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Check the sticky at the beginning of this section.
I had a problem with the engine shutting off with the key, (SD) I pulled vacuum on the shut off actuator/shut off valve under hood, it stopped. I also noticed oil in that brown line and a puddle on the lower kick panel below the steering wheel. I replaced the failed actuator, no more oil leak and the engine stops with the key.
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Old 08-05-2009, 12:54 AM
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I'm with toomany MBZ. From your description, it sounds like you need a new valve.
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Old 08-05-2009, 04:14 PM
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Progress has been made...

I connected the mityvac to the brown tube of the shut off valve and it took three pumps to shutoff. It didn't shut right off, it faded away. Also oil was sucked out of the shut off valve when vacuum was applied with the mityvac. About 8in of oil was sucked up into the 1/2" tube from the mityvac. So I think this means I need a new shut off valve.

On the weirder side of thing about doing the procedure could have temporarily fixed the problem because the engine is now shutting off in a timely fashion. My hypothesis is the the oil that was sucked out of the valve and them pushed back in lubed up the components and made a better seal, hence temporarily fixing the problem.

Lastly, what do I do with the oil that is in the shut off valve. Leave it? Mityvac it out? Or will the problem be solved when I replace the shut off valve? Oh what to do.

Thanks again for the help

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