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probear · #16 08-04-2009, 01:19 AM

Without heating the WVO or VO to 180 degrees F or better, the fuel is going to eventually cause problems with the fuel system. Even then, there is still the issue of coking from glycerin. Sure, you might get away from this problem, but only if you really heat the fuel good prior to burning. Even so, there will be a residual effect as you are still burning glycerin. Bio-diesel does not contain glycerin.

Major difference.....Major................it also explains the problem with burning "blended fuels".....the glycerin is still there....

RichC · #17 08-04-2009, 08:56 AM

There is no inharent glycerin in veggie oil.

It takes a chemical reaction which breaks the oil molecules to make glycerin.

When a mixture of methanol and lye is added to veggie oil it causes a chemical reaction
and breaks the long chain of mostly hydrocabons that veggie is made of.

The splitting of the molecule leaves a shorter chain pf hydrocabons, and a molecule of glycerin.

RichC · #18 08-04-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

There you go again, spouting off more nonsense.
Just because you're fine with abusing your car doesn't mean I'll stand by and let new members think your advice on how to abuse an engine is okay for them heed.

The fact I refuse to abuse my car does not demonstrate "lack of experience", its demonstrates my ability to "make a good choice". I don't smoke cigarettes either, does that mean I should stop telling people its dangerous and they shouldn't start smoking?

As you so quaintly put it, Give it a rest.

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Show us anything that supports your idea that using veggie fuels is " abusing " these vehicles.

okyoureabeast · #19 08-04-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

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Show us anything that supports your idea that using veggie fuels is " abusing " these vehicles.

I think any single tank kit is a mistake in any vehicle.

A properly heated dual tank system is the best way to go.

#20 08-04-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by okyoureabeast

I think any single tank kit is a mistake in any vehicle.

Blending is even worse, there is no "conversion" and, as demonstrated by RichC, they often use much more harmful fuels than vegetable oil (like gasoline) to thin the VO.

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A properly heated dual tank system is the best way to go.

BioDiesel is the best way to go, it was developed specifically to handle the problems all veggie users would have and requires no conversion. The amount of time and money dumped into hacked in "conversions" could easily cover the cost of a biodiesel processor.

Doktor Bert · #21 08-04-2009, 05:55 PM

I have ran 100% vegetable oil in my car many times with no modifications, at ambient temperatures above 70°F. Back in 2006, Diesel fuel was $4.00/gallon at some places in Fresno and I could buy it at Costco in bulk containers for about $2.85/gallon.

I logged about 6,500 miles on SVO and the car actually seems to have more power on vegetable oil....Robert

#22 08-04-2009, 08:04 PM

That doesn't mean its a smart long term choice, besides being illegal and morally wrong.

Doktor Bert · #23 08-04-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

"That doesn't mean its a smart long term choice, besides being illegal and morally wrong...."

Somehow, I see #2 diesel at $4.00/gallon to be a greater wrongdoing. SVO is cleaner burning, so how do you see it as being such a heinous act???

Sometimes the "I Voted For Obama" bumper sticker isn't required...You can just tell...:-)

RichC · #24 08-04-2009, 08:41 PM

I guess documented cases of these cars running for over 200,000 miles on veggie blends
does not convince you nothing will.

Heck, I probably have close to 100,000 myself, come to think about it.

But dont let things like the truth, evidence, or reason, get in the way of claiming you know it all.

Good Luck to you.

RichC · #25 08-04-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

There you go again, spouting off more nonsense.
Just because you're fine with abusing your car doesn't mean I'll stand by and let new members think your advice on how to abuse an engine is okay for them heed.

The fact I refuse to abuse my car does not demonstrate "lack of experience", its demonstrates my ability to "make a good choice". I don't smoke cigarettes either, does that mean I should stop telling people its dangerous and they shouldn't start smoking?

As you so quaintly put it, Give it a rest.

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Remember that Volkeswagen TDI you used to hold up as evidence that veggie fuels
will destroy the mercedes diesel ??

It turns out that car was not harmed by veggie.
He had a simple turbo oil seal leak.

But people like you, with you veggie hate ignorance convinced the guy that his engine was messed up by running veggie.

The guy wound up spending thousands to have the engine taken apart an looked at.
And cleaned and put back together.

Finally someone that did not buy into your brand of brainwashing diagnosed the car correctly.

Your kind veggie hate ingnorance is really harming people.

Why must you continue ???

DSlater · #26 08-05-2009, 01:30 AM

This is a sore subject with many of us here. Yes these engines will run on just about any combustible liquid. Too many people interpret that quite literally though and for every one that does it right, I would wager there are twenty that don't. This is what leads to the negativity of some toward VO, not anything anybody here may say.

I was totally unaware of how rampant the perception of piss-in-the-tank-and-go was with the general populace until I had one of these cars. People who have never expressed any interest in cars mention it to me. Many are surprised when I tell them that it has to be done correctly. And here I am still rehabilitating mine to recover it from 'idiot with a jug of used cooking oil' induced sickness. (Had a dead cylinder and terminally fouled injectors. Everything that could be clogged was. After much cleanup work, a diesel purge, and running on straight diesel for over three months I was still getting the odor of old veg oil from the injectors when I pulled them. Still not sure I've got really good comp on the one cylinder now (just finally got a tester), or what other issues there may be. It still rocks pretty bad at warm idle (new delivery seals, damper is next but I'm not hopeful) and sounds rough at low rpm. Compounded with unseen rust, I was a naive idiot to have even bought the car.

At least she keeps up with traffic now, looks ok and doesn't leak oil (on the ground). C'est la vie.)

If I so much as see an old french-fry under a seat in the next one I look at, I'm walking away. Not trying to upset anyone, just had to get it off my chest!

GWNorris3rd · #27 08-05-2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Doktor Bert

Somehow, I see #2 diesel at $4.00/gallon to be a greater wrongdoing. SVO is cleaner burning, so how do you see it as being such a heinous act???

Sometimes the "I Voted For Obama" bumper sticker isn't required...You can just tell...:-)

I think what Forced was referring to was you didn't pay any fuel tax on your Costco Vegie oill! So how do you think the SR 198 Hanford Expressway and and SR 99 Widening projects are being paid with... it's NOT all State Bond money (like that is even real money anyway!). Without paying the fuel tax the infrastructure will just deteriorate to even worse conditions and be more congested. But, I sure you sent in your fuel tax as your should have!

Brandon_SLC · #28 08-05-2009, 02:12 AM

I like the fact that my car COULD run on WVO and several other things, but I'm not going to resort to it before nuclear Armageddon.

#29 08-05-2009, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Doktor Bert

Somehow, I see #2 diesel at $4.00/gallon to be a greater wrongdoing.

You've got a few choices about what you can do.

1: Whine about it to people that can do nothing about it.
2: Complain to legislators/congress to do something about it.
3: Grow up and accept the fact you've got no control or choice.
4: Drive less.
5: Don't drive at all.

People need to learn to accept the fact that high oil/fuel prices are GOOD. Only when prices hit $3-5/gallon did people stop buying stupid SUVs, Hummers and pickups for their 20 mile traffic-jam commute carrying 1-2 people. I was perfectly HAPPY paying $4-5/gallon because I knew how much good it was doing for the country and the environment.

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SVO is cleaner burning

Incorrect. SVO has higher NOx output and significantly shortens the engine lifespan.

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so how do you see it as being such a heinous act?

1: Its illegal.
2: Its harmful to the car.
3: It increases smog.

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Sometimes the "I Voted For Obama" bumper sticker isn't required...You can just tell...:-)

That was completely uncalled for. I find that comment, the picture and the notion that I voted for Obama extremely offensive. Remove it now.

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Originally Posted by RichC

Blah Blah Blah, Blah Blah Blah

Still trying?

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Originally Posted by DSlater

And here I am still rehabilitating mine to recover it from 'idiot with a jug of used cooking oil' induced sickness.

Classic.

Doktor Bert · #30 08-05-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GWNorris3rd

I think what Forced was referring to was you didn't pay any fuel tax on your Costco Vegie oill! So how do you think the SR 198 Hanford Expressway and and SR 99 Widening projects are being paid with... it's NOT all State Bond money (like that is even real money anyway!). Without paying the fuel tax the infrastructure will just deteriorate to even worse conditions and be more congested. But, I sure you sent in your fuel tax as your should have!

Well Norris,

You got me there. I am sure that the entire state infrastructure is certain to collapse now that I have stooped to burning SVO for one summer when prices were so high....

I do see your point, Norris. I think this is one of the reasons that SVO has gone up so much in price is to discourage its use as a motor fuel....Robert