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marybeth · #76 10-07-2009, 12:32 PM

In the Cruise ship I worked we used Bunker fuel for the Diesels. This "jello" like fuel did need to be heated to flow and centerfuidged to get rid of contaminates (+filtered). The Gas turbine engines used a form of Jet fuel as well a biodiesel -and were very clean burning, but were less fuel effcient then the diesels.

Royal Carribean, & Celebrity Cruise ships also burn their Waste Veggie Oil in the engines.

#77 10-07-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

So you burn not only motor oil, but mix it with un-taxed (ILLEGAL) off road diesel? You, owe your state and fed's some tax $$! Stop cheating the system and pay for the fuel/taxes like everyone else. Breaking the law is not something to brag about/advertise.

Tell ya' what! The day that the lazy SOB's that won't roll their A$$ out of bed in the morning to go to work and instead collect an "entitlement" check start paying back the money that they've been sucking off of the taxpayers of this country, will be the day that I pay the very few cents that I might have not paid in fuel tax by burning the few gallons of oil that I paid tax on when I bought it to pour in the crankcase.

Had I taken that drained oil and poured it in the recycle tank where I now pour it, it would have ended up as cheap fuel for a Cruise Line. Come to think of it, in the days when I burned the oil that I drained out of the crankcase, there was no place locally that I knew of where I COULD take it to be "recycled." In that case would you preferred that I pour it on the ground? I was not going to pour it on the ground on my land.

rcounts · #78 10-07-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldwolf

Might as well. I don't think what we return to recycle is cleaned up, refortified and resold for motor oil usage.

As the "environmental compliance guy" for my company, I am required to do a bi-annual inspection of the facility that recycles the waste oil from our fleet.

A small amount of used oil is re-refined, has its additives replentished, and is then sold as recycled motor oil. But only a small portion because there isn't that much of a market for it. Most people (and fleets) use only NEW oil in their engines because by the time it goes through the entire process of being recycled to be "good as new" the cost savings for recycled oil isn't that significant.

The vast majority of it is filtered, blended, and then sold as "on-spec" fuel for boilers and furnaces. Which BTW, don't burn the oil one bit cleaner than your engine will if the oil is mixed in low concentrations with diesel fuel. It burns cleanly in a diesel engine because at low concentrations it is well atomized. A diesel engine in good running condition burning the mix described in my earlier post doesn't even produce more visible smoke than it would on 100% #2 diesel.

You want to see oil burning that ISN'T clean, check out any clapped-out old gasser with a couple of hundred thousand miles on it that is going through a quart every couple of hundred miles. That oil isn't atomized at all and as a result it doesn't burn completely and has really dirty exhaust with lots of smoke.

Old300D · #79 10-07-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rcounts

As the "environmental compliance guy" for my company, I am required to do a bi-annual inspection of the facility that recycles the waste oil from our fleet.

A small amount of used oil is re-refined, has its additives replentished, and is then sold as recycled motor oil. But only a small portion because there isn't that much of a market for it. Most people (and fleets) use only NEW oil in their engines because by the time it goes through the entire process of being recycled to be "good as new" the cost savings for recycled oil isn't that significant.

The vast majority of it is filtered, blended, and then sold as "on-spec" fuel for boilers and furnaces. Which BTW, don't burn the oil one bit cleaner than your engine will if the oil is mixed in low concentrations with diesel fuel. It burns cleanly in a diesel engine because at low concentrations it is well atomized. A diesel engine in good running condition burning the mix described in my earlier post doesn't even produce more visible smoke than it would on 100% #2 diesel.

You want to see oil burning that ISN'T clean, check out any clapped-out old gasser with a couple of hundred thousand miles on it that is going through a quart every couple of hundred miles. That oil isn't atomized at all and as a result it doesn't burn completely and has really dirty exhaust with lots of smoke.

Then why do all who burn motor oil report more smoke? Obviously burning it an ICE is different than a furnace.

rcounts · #80 10-07-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Old300D

Then why do all who burn motor oil report more smoke? Obviously burning it an ICE is different than a furnace.

Because they are burning it in higher concentrations. Notice that I said in LOW concentrations - 5% in my little "experiment".
If you're burning it in 20%, 30%, 50% concentrations you will see more smoke, no doubt about it. In those concentrations it is too thick to properly atomize and burn cleanly...

Old300D · #81 10-07-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rcounts

Because they are burning it in higher concentrations. Notice that I said in LOW concentrations - 5% in my little "experiment".
If you're burning it in 20%, 30%, 50% concentrations you will see more smoke, no doubt about it. In those concentrations it is too thick to properly atomize and burn cleanly...

You are probably correct on that point. And it's a minor point that an ICE is not well equipped to deal with the ash produced, where this is easily handled in a furnace.

oldsinner111 · #82 10-07-2009, 06:25 PM

well I heatered wmo mix to 185 degrees before injection.
This group made me think about little kids,and animals.
I did not mind spreading cancer to tailgaters,and road ragers.

rcounts · #83 10-07-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by oldsinner111

well I heatered wmo mix to 185 degrees before injection.
This group made me think about little kids,and animals.
I did not mind spreading cancer to tailgaters,and road ragers.

Yeah, every enviro issue you talk about these days becomes "all about the CHILDREN"

What a CROCK! Every gasser out there spews WAY more harmful pollutants into the air than our diesels - even if we burn some WMO.

Gasoline is roughly 13% Benzine, and you can't get much worse in terms of harmful, carcinogenic chemicals than that stuff. Heck, it is on the EPA's list of the 200 most acutely hazardous substances! And millions of gallons of it are burned - or rather partially burned - and spewed into the air every day! But I'M the one giving cancer to all the little children by burning 5% WMO mixed with my diesel. Yeah, riiiiight...

marybeth · #84 10-07-2009, 10:02 PM

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Posted by LarryBible
The day that the lazy SOB's that won't roll their A$$ out of bed in the morning to go to work and instead collect an "entitlement" check start paying back the money that they've been sucking off of the taxpayers of this country, will be the day that I pay the very few cents that I might have not paid in fuel tax by burning the few gallons of oil that I paid tax on when I bought it to pour in the crankcase.

I reallly wish the "execs" of AIG, Citibank, BofA, and other "Wall Street Giants" had kept their A$$es in bed. The TARP funds was more of an entitlement then anyone I know (in or out of bed) will ever get

Ian White · #85 10-08-2009, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by marybeth

I reallly wish the "execs" of AIG, Citibank, BofA, and other "Wall Street Giants" had kept their A$$es in bed. The TARP funds was more of an entitlement then anyone I know (in or out of bed) will ever get

I can tell that we agree on most everything POLITICALLY haha. Good Point.

#86 10-08-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by marybeth

I reallly wish the "execs" of AIG, Citibank, BofA, and other "Wall Street Giants" had kept their A$$es in bed. The TARP funds was more of an entitlement then anyone I know (in or out of bed) will ever get

I couldn't agree more. When ANY of the pigs that suck up tax money out of laziness OR greed start paying back what they took from the honest taxpayers, I will pay back the few tax cents that MAYBE I saved burning a few gallons of drained oil in my tank.

Whether it's a farmer sucking up agriculture subsidies, a banker sucking it up from greed, Barney Frank saying that everyone is entitled to a mortgage whether they can pay it back or not, or someone too lazy to get out of bed and go to work in the morning, they're all the same kind of greedy/lazy entitlement mentality.

#87 10-08-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rcounts

As the "environmental compliance guy" for my company, I am required to do a bi-annual inspection of the facility that recycles the waste oil from our fleet.

A small amount of used oil is re-refined, has its additives replentished, and is then sold as recycled motor oil. But only a small portion because there isn't that much of a market for it. Most people (and fleets) use only NEW oil in their engines because by the time it goes through the entire process of being recycled to be "good as new" the cost savings for recycled oil isn't that significant.

The vast majority of it is filtered, blended, and then sold as "on-spec" fuel for boilers and furnaces. Which BTW, don't burn the oil one bit cleaner than your engine will if the oil is mixed in low concentrations with diesel fuel. It burns cleanly in a diesel engine because at low concentrations it is well atomized. A diesel engine in good running condition burning the mix described in my earlier post doesn't even produce more visible smoke than it would on 100% #2 diesel.

You want to see oil burning that ISN'T clean, check out any clapped-out old gasser with a couple of hundred thousand miles on it that is going through a quart every couple of hundred miles. That oil isn't atomized at all and as a result it doesn't burn completely and has really dirty exhaust with lots of smoke.

Thanks VERY much for sharing your experience on the subject. There's nothing like facts in a discussion, although there are many who prefer not to muddle up a good debate with those pesky facts.

rcounts · #88 10-08-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

Thanks VERY much for sharing your experience on the subject. There's nothing like facts in a discussion, although there are many who prefer not to muddle up a good debate with those pesky facts.

You're welcome Larry, and thanks for the compliment. I'm an engineer by trade, so facts, figures, and logic are the the only valid way to look at things, as far as I'm concerned. The emotionalism that the environmentalists seem want to introduce into these debates carries no weight as far as I'm concerned.