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Old 10-08-2009, 02:26 PM
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Question about B2 replacement

I've been gathering all the parts to repair the broken B2 piston on my '83 300D. One question in my mind relates to the o-ring seal for the B2 cover. The Diesel Giant pictorial seems to show replacement of the seal after the new B2 piston has been put in place, and some write ups claim the seal is nearly impossible to replace without removing the transmission and warn you not to remove the old seal. Now if you are not to remove the old seal, then you must have to insert the new piston while the seal is in place. My question is, what is stopping me from replacing the seal while the piston is out and then inserting the new piston just as you would have to do if you left the old seal in place? It looks to be very doable while the piston is out, and looks like a real pain with the piston in. The other question I have is in regard to the K1/K2? springs, if my transmission was shifting fine prior to the B2 breaking, do I really need to replace those springs?
Finally a question about synthetic engine oil, is the Castrol Syntec a good brand to use in these engines?
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Old 10-08-2009, 02:39 PM
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Hmmmm, i did mine after the piston was installed. I also dropoed the exhaust pipe out and used a block of wood to shove the transmission over so I had more room. MB mechanic suggested the block of wood. It's not that bad. Good luck. Thanks
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Old 10-08-2009, 03:54 PM
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Oh yeah, I've already gotten the old piston out. I'm just waiting on the inner bushing seal so I can put it all back together. Used a 2x4 to move the transmission over to one side, still not much room though.
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Old 10-08-2009, 04:09 PM
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Castrol Syntec is an excellent oil, Edge is better still and a class IV synthetic (real synthetic).
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Well it was inevitable, but it finally happened, I recently became a 2 Benz owner. Just picked an '82 300SD from craigslist. Clean body, rust free, the engine runs, somewhere between 140k and 170k mileage, service records for the first 10 years or so of life, but guess what? It will only work in first gear and reverse... Looks like I'm going to be doing this B2 thing all over again in the spring.
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Old 10-09-2009, 01:29 PM
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By the seal do you mean the seal holding the bushing in place or the seal around the outer edge at the cover?
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By the seal do you mean the seal holding the bushing in place or the seal around the outer edge at the cover?
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question in my mind relates to the o-ring seal for the B2 cover
The seal around the outer edge at the cover..
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Nobody have any thoughts on this? Perhaps I'll just forget replacing the o-ring then and hope that it doesn't leak around the cover.

On a side note, I'm getting really fed up with FedEx. my B2 bushing seal left Chicago 4 days ago and I live in southern Wisconsin. What's up with that? The weather was perfect yesterday, but I couldn't do a thing without that seal.
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:08 PM
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Nobody have any thoughts on this? Perhaps I'll just forget replacing the o-ring then and hope that it doesn't leak around the cover.

On a side note, I'm getting really fed up with FedEx. my B2 bushing seal left Chicago 4 days ago and I live in southern Wisconsin. What's up with that? The weather was perfect yesterday, but I couldn't do a thing without that seal.
Well, I have some thoughts about this post. The more urgent the need for the part, the less likely that you will receive it fast. If you don't really need it, just buying it for preventive sake, then you will get it the next day.

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Update

Well it's now been 12 days since the seals left Chicago headed for Madison. FedEx has no idea where they are or where they went. The days are getting colder and my car still sits on jack stands in the driveway. Heck even the USPS could have done better on this one.
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:03 PM
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The Evil B2 Cover O-ring thread

Well, my bushing seals finally arrived today. I proceeded to start the reassembly of the transmission. Things went mostly smoothly until.....I decided to replace the o-ring that seals the B2 cover. I soon learned why others suggest not to remove it, that slippery little bast*rd, every time I tried to push it into the groove the last little bit would kink up and the whole thing would pop out. After thirty minutes I decided to take a break and get a light as it was getting dark. Then I tried again gradually working it into the groove from both ends until I had the whole thing in except for the last kinked up half inch or so. Then instead of trying to push it into the groove I pulled it and stretched the last little bit, and it popped right in on the first try. I was amazed Every thing else proceeded as I would have hoped it to. The new piston slipped in, with a little trickery, and I got a very satisfying dribble of tranny fluid when I pushed it in. But the quarters were very tight. I'm over 6 feet and 350lb. So you can imagine what it was like. I was a bit worried about the cover because after it popped in I couldn't push it in like I had done to remove it. But the snap ring fit snugly, so Ill button things up and see how it does. I hope it does work, Ill be doing the same thing to the SD next spring.
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What was the symptom of the broken B2?
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What was the symptom of the broken B2?
In my case it was rough shifting into and out of first gear, 2nd and up were ok. Or perhaps thinking about it, it may have been rough until it got into third, there was no way of really telling. Just that it was rough until it got into a higher gear and would then cruise without fault.
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I got everything back together and put 4 quarts back into the trans. I had not drained the converter. As I was putting the new oil in I noticed something, I could smell what I would describe as "rotten" transmission fluid. It didn't really smell burnt to me, but more like it has spoiled, like food spoils. After I filled it up I did not notice any leaks ( a good thing) and I started the car up and worked it back and forth between drive and reverse in the driveway. Every thing felt ok. But the sick rotten smell still bothers me. Was it "burnt" fluid? is my trans headed for the happy hunting ground? Is it possible that it may have happened when the B2 piston broke, and it was caught in time to prevent any really major damage?
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Am I talking to myself?

Well, if any one cares, I took the Lil Sister out for a spin tonight. She ran hot for while, but I added some more water and everything was fine. No leaks, no drips, no extra parts!
And the tranny shifts again!

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