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Old 11-13-2001, 10:04 PM
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A new car..

Yeah its an American car.. which I think 99.999% of are garbage but this one impressed me. V8, RWD. Its a former PA state police car with 106K.. your probably saying "this thing must be beat to crap" but it isn't.. it drives like it has 10K miles on it. Very tight and FAST. All highway mileage. I like the fact that I can do 120mph any time I feel like it and not have to wait a few minutes to get to 100 Don't worry I still have my two diesels



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Old 11-13-2001, 10:14 PM
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Congratulations, turbodiesel.

The engine, transmission, and rear differential on this car will probably outlast many MB before a rebuild.
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Old 11-13-2001, 10:26 PM
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Hope it handles better than the Grand Marquis that was tailgating me something awful this summer on the 2-lane. Driven by a tiny little old man who stayed 2 lengths behind me all the time, no matter what speed, while I was driving the 300TE.

Being rude, I decided that I'd see just how fast the old man wanted to go in that land yacht, so I let the MB drift up a bit. I've driven that particular highway more or less regularly since 1974, so I wasn't on unfamiliar territory!

At 75 mph he made a couple cruves on the wrong side of the road and decided to give me a little more room behind -- floored it and passed me at the next traffic light (which was fine by me!) -- and was on the tail of the next car in front just as bad.

Crown Vic isn't a bad car, just sorta huge by my standards. Interceptor versions usually have decent handling, too, if not really up to MB standards. Understeers something terrible, but at least that is predictable!

Have fun!

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Old 11-14-2001, 07:10 AM
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turbodiesel,

Neat car. I bet it's fun to drive. One thing that makes any car fun to drive regardless of it's handling charecteristis is raw power.

Bo,

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you about the drivetrain outlasting ANY MB ever made. As American cars go I prefer Ford products. I've driven plenty of Ford's and taken care of them just like I take care of my MB's. I've never had a Ford that would outlast even the poorest of my MB's. I will grant you that when they both do wear out, you will put the Ford back on the road after writing a check for a considerably smaller amount of money. But, the MB will typically go further before you write that check.

Have a great day,
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Old 11-14-2001, 09:16 AM
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Larry,

I agree with you if I said "ANY MB ever made". I was saying many MBs.

Looking at the size of the differential on the CV, I can hardly image it can fail or whine like many of the smaller units on the MB 201 and 124 cars.

One of my colleagues also bought one of these police retired CV. He bought it when it had about 99kmi on it three years ago. Now it has 130kmi. The power train is still original and never been opened for repair. I drove the car before and the power train is massive and excellent (so much torque at low rpm). Handling is a different matter and fuel cost is another compared to diesels MBs. Quite a few MBs need valve jobs, head gaskets, etc. before 130kmi.
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Old 11-14-2001, 10:06 AM
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Where would you go about finding one of these retired cars? Better yet, where could I find a retired mail truck?

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Old 11-14-2001, 10:21 AM
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DieselHead:

Have a look at

http://www.policecars.com/

Maybe all the diesel fans will be impressed by the power of these CVs.
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Old 11-14-2001, 10:25 AM
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Here is another source:

http://www.emergencyremarketing.com/

I saw in Amazon.com and they even have books on how to buy retired police cars.
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Old 11-14-2001, 10:52 AM
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Bo,

I'm not trying to make a debate here, so don't take me wrong. I think our experience sets are different.

My wife had a Ford that blew a headgasket at 100,000 miles for no apparent reason. For me the earliest I've ever had to take an MB engine apart was at about 170,000 and that was because the anti-freeze had not been frequently changed and caused corrosion to the head. The engine in my daughter's car was not maintained well and abused by an elderly gentlement that pulled a heavy trailer with it, and it even made 199,000 miles.

On the side of the Ford, I have a '78 Ford four wheel drive with a 400 that I bought new. It has been indestructible. I ran several Fords from the sixties and seventies well past 100K, one to almost 200K, with frequent oil changes and TLC, but none of them made it to 200K without an overhaul.

I'm enjoying the conversation and share your respect for the Crown Vic.

Have a great day,
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Old 11-14-2001, 11:11 AM
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Thanks for the links. I didn't know these cars were so expensive! Oh well, maybe later in life.........

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Good enough, Larry.

Thanks.
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Old 11-14-2001, 11:22 AM
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DieselHead:

I think They are expensive because they have special power train and equipment on them. I heard some Chev police cars have the LT1 package (Corvette power train) on them. Plus these cars should have regular maintenance history.
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Old 11-14-2001, 11:34 AM
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You know, the crown vic has its fans, which always surprises me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing your new ride - we all choose what we like. I take more than a little abuse for driving a 15 year old diesel station wagon.

Several of my relatives drive vickies, and I'm always amazed at how bad they are in some ways.

For one, it's amazing how little room the interior has, given the size of the car. Setup the front for six-footer and climb in back. It's tight - my knees are firmly pressed against the back of the front seat. Headroom ain't too impressive front or rear. Putting a prisoner in back could qualify as cruel and unusual!

The trunk lid is large enough to land an airplane on it. Despite that, there is amazingly little usable trunk space. The trunk is all contorted, cut up, and full of odd shapes and nooks and crannies. The overall volume adds up to a large number, but an E-class has a more usable trunk. At least it has a full size spare.

So I don't love these things - big deal. Enjoy your new ride. These are supposed to be one of the most reliable domestic vehicles, so that part is good. Let's make fun of SUV drivers sometime.

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Old 11-14-2001, 12:12 PM
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Having put 1300 miles on it in 5 days its growing on me. It dont have the style, class, quality, feel or handling of ANY MB but its fast and will last damn near forever. I've seen NYC taxi's with 250, 350, 450K on them.. still going (dont know how strong).

The 17 MPG kinda hurts after driving a diesel. It is very huge inside.. like your living room. It has a utilitarian image to it, kinda like the MB diesel.. keeps a licking and keeps on ticking. I like that.

The pages you showed were ripoffs. I got this car from a PA state auction for under $5000. A LT1 caprice is about 2x as fast as the CV but i think its damn ugly.
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Old 11-14-2001, 03:59 PM
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Congratulations John! You finanally got your fast sedan, albeit with no stick (like you were thinking about.) They are so cool these cars, but whats cooler is how people react to you on the highway. People damn near screech to a hault. I agree, these CVs, when maintained, will outlast Mercs (IN SOME RESPECTS). I too have been in them with 500K, and they all drive like they did new.... Okay, somewhat... Enjoy the new car John, you deserve it!

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