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Old 10-27-2009, 02:46 PM
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Mobil Recommends M1 0W-40 for my 1993 300D???

I thought their auto selection tool would surely pick Turbo Diesel & Truck...

What gives?? Does anyone else use 0W40 in their Diesel?

M1 0W40

Also, TD&T does not say it is MB 228.31 approved. Is it?

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Old 10-27-2009, 02:49 PM
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The M1 0W-40 is I believe a class III synthetic, not a true synthetic.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:02 PM
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The M1 0W-40 is I believe a class III synthetic, not a true synthetic.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but aren't all Mobil 1 oils class IV synthetics?
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:12 PM
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I thought their auto selection would surely be Turbo Diesel & Truck...

What gives?? Does anyone else use 0W40 in their Diesel?

M1 0W40

Also, TD&T does not say it is MB 228.31 approved. Is it?

Thanks.
It is recommended by European car makers, for use in Europe. When the outside temp is far below freezing, 0W X is not a bad idea.
In Raleigh we don't need it, I use TDT 5W-40 and my lifters like it. I'm going to Amsoil Euro formula soon because a friend can get it for slightly less than Mobil 1 cost. As far as the 228 rating, I think 229 ratings include some 228 specs - I may be wrong about that, though. I'm not sure if Mobil would write back if we asked but it couldn't hurt. One thing I do know about new oils...one of my part time shop buddies works for Volvo Trucks N.A. in Greensboro doing testing, mechanical and R&D. There are BIG changes in diesel emissions standards coming and one of the problems meeting them is zinc and phosphorus in oil contaminating the exhaust treatment process. The newer oils are good for this but the old timer mechanics are saying to use a zinc supplement (ZDDP) with older engines.

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see also, "table" at the end of the paragraph.
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From reading the specs, it looks like good oil. It's not what I use, but I don't think you would be going wrong using it.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:19 PM
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I sent an email to Mobil and will post the reply when I get an answer. Thanks for all the comments.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:34 PM
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No.

The TD&T (also Delvac 1) and the extended-mileage Mobil 1 are class IV, the rest of the Mobil 1 family is not, introduced a few years ago to combat cheaper synthetics from other manufacturers. Amsoil started to introduce Class III and blends about the same time.

Castrol EDGE is a good up-and-coming class IV syn oil, only available locally in a couple of flavors and I haven't checked for a diesel rating, but I've always liked their ATF (AKA: Allison Transynd) and dino oils.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:57 PM
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Nothing Lower than 5W40 with an OM602(Anywhere in the Southeast)

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[What does your OM say?]
[Viscosity Requirements are basically set in stone by the Manufacturer of the Engine]
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Any Viscosity lower and You're Playing With the Need for a new engine...
Much,Much earlier than you should be.
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Old 10-27-2009, 05:51 PM
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Mobil 1 Reply -WTH????

I am not sure this response makes things any more clearer...

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You could use this product but the Mobil1 15W50 is used older Mercedes applications as well.

-- Thank you for choosing ExxonMobil products.
If you need further assistance, please contact ExxonMobil at 1-800-ASK-MOBIL

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15W50 is good oil. It has the most anti-wear additives of any of Mobil's synthetic oils.
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15W50 is good oil. It has the most anti-wear additives of any of Mobil's synthetic oils.
The newest bottles of 15W-50 no longer have the API CF rating, but it's supposed to be unchanged and still provide the same level of protection as the CF rated bottles.

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Mobil_1_15W50_in_Diesel_Engines.aspx
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Must be extremely recent. The bottle I bought last weekend is marked for CF.
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Must be extremely recent. The bottle I bought last weekend is marked for CF.
It's a pretty recent change. I had a discussion about it a few months ago on another forum.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/3629895-post22.html
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Old 10-27-2009, 08:58 PM
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So any CF rated oil is all I need to adequately protect my 602?
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Old 10-28-2009, 12:14 AM
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Pretty much.

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