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Old 02-25-2010, 10:23 PM
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Fuel Primer issues

Alright, before you all start laughing and all... I have a 1985 Ford Tempo with a 2.0L diesel engine, a very unique car, a beautifal thing. Now, to the point of this forum

Last week on the weekend, I got the car back from the shop after spending $800 for a new starter and gloplugs + installation. So electrically its been working fine, but I have been having to use the fuel primer to pump the fuel in due to me living in a northern part of Canada where its not exactly scorching hot here, its a little chilly at most parts, freezing for some. On Sunday night of last weekend, I was not able to start my vehicle, not even the fuel primer would work, I figured the fuel filter/water seperater froze, so I replaced it with the new one I had in my trunk. 4 hours later, I had the filter on, yet still nothing being pumped through the primer. In the next few days I have tried a few more times, put some diesel fuel + diesel 911 in the filter (and also put 911 in my fuel tank) yet still nothing.

I am not sure if it may not have worked fully and my fuel lines are frozen? Or is there another problem involving pressure?

Any advice? I have asked around in town but have not been told any concrete information.

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Old 02-25-2010, 10:27 PM
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Condensation has turned into h2o and has frozen solid in the fuel line, maybe?


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Old 02-25-2010, 10:30 PM
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simple solution is buy a real diesel, that is a Benz !!
Sorry I couldnt resist that!!

If you cant get fuel to flow with the primer, either the primer is no good or you have a big lump of frozen fuel. Warm everything up & see if that fixes it.

I once had to put a small fan heater in the trunk of my car to unfreeze the fuel in the tank.
Hope that helps
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:25 PM
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IS there any sort of additive you all recommend that I put in my tank to help clean up the clog (if there is one)?
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Old 02-26-2010, 08:57 PM
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IS there any sort of additive you all recommend that I put in my tank to help clean up the clog (if there is one)?
I am not saying this to be mean but if the Fuel in the Tubing and Hoses between the Tank and the Fuel Injection Pump are congeled I do not see how a Fuel Addative in the Fuel Tank is going to loosen it up.
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Old 02-27-2010, 06:15 AM
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X2 Diesel911, Need to blow the frozen fuel out of the line!!
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Old 02-27-2010, 03:09 PM
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I tried diesel 911 before, put about 2/3 of the bottle in my fuel tank, safe to put in more?
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Old 02-27-2010, 04:47 PM
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You could simply get one of those 2.5 liter spare Fuel Containers and run your Fuel inlet hose into that; and see if you can get the hand primer to get that Fuel into the Fuel Injection Pump.
If you can get the Car running like that drive it to someplace where there is a heated Garage so that the whole Car Can be warmed up and try your Fuel Additive.

For entertainment purposes I came up with an emergency plan.
I remember seeing a documentary about Alaska. It several degrees below zero out side but inside of an Igloo with a small Fire going it was 27 Degrees F.

This makes me think that you could make Snow Wall of packed Snow just under the perimeter of your Car to more or less seal off from the outside weather.

Where it is safe under the Car put several short but long burning lit Candles; above the Candles it must be safe from the Candle flames. And, see if that would heat it up enough to de-gel the fuel.

You could also do a similar thing as above but instead of candles use another heat source like the Exhaust of a Gas Car piped under the car. But, remember you need to have the all the Windows down on the Diesel Car to avoid being poisoned.
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Old 02-27-2010, 05:56 PM
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Yeah..the thing is, where Alaska is located, makes us look warm. If you have ever watched the show "Ice Road Truckers" thats where I live, in Yellowknife, where our average winters are 8 months long, and most of that is around -40.

Right now though its around -7, which is abnormally strange for this time of year. I have been trying to find a portable heater but they are hard to come by in this town it seems, and a tow is $100-$150 so, trying to not spend more money on a tow when I had to tow it to get it fixed just last week.
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Old 02-28-2010, 02:18 AM
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Yeah..the thing is, where Alaska is located, makes us look warm. If you have ever watched the show "Ice Road Truckers" thats where I live, in Yellowknife, where our average winters are 8 months long, and most of that is around -40.

Right now though its around -7, which is abnormally strange for this time of year. I have been trying to find a portable heater but they are hard to come by in this town it seems, and a tow is $100-$150 so, trying to not spend more money on a tow when I had to tow it to get it fixed just last week.
If they have the one of the Auto Clubs up there it might pay to have a Membership. Down here the towing is free for x amount of miles; depending on what type of Membership you purchased.
You can actually purchase your membership on the internet and use it right away.

One of the members said in North India they put a Charcoal Brazier under the Vehicles to warm them. Not sure of the other details on that.
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Old 02-28-2010, 02:17 PM
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Does anyone know, and who can explain to me, of how to purge the injector system of any excess air?
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Old 02-28-2010, 10:16 PM
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There is 2 parts. The Fuel Supply system that you purge by pumpin on the Hand Primer until you hear a buzzing, squishing type sound coming from the Over Flow Valve on the side of the Fuel Injection Pump. After you hear that you continue to pump some more to be sure.
If your Fuel Supply System is air tight that will clear the air out of your Fuel Injection Pump Housing. (If you have the old style Hand Primer with the shiny Aluminum body; when done pumping be sure to push the Primer all the way back down and tighten it to seal it.)

Next you purge the air out of the High Pressure Injection part of the system by loosening all of those Fuel Injection Line nuts at the Injectors and back the nuts of a turn or so.

Now you crank your Engine until you see Fuel Comming out of all. Tighten the Fuel Injection Line nuts and go through your starting proceedure and attempt to start.
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Old 02-28-2010, 10:55 PM
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My primer is a yellow button on top with a button on the side which I push in al lthe way then I pump the yellow button. Is it the same one your talking about? If so, what am I exactly tightening when I push all the way down? I did the fuel line thing with loosening the nuts, but still nothing. All my engine is doing now is taking the fuel, trying to turn over but struggling, then fuel line goes empty. I am thinking maybe a clog somewhere in the injector itself but am not entirely sure, since it was cold for a while here.
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Old 03-05-2010, 08:58 PM
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My primer is a yellow button on top with a button on the side which I push in al lthe way then I pump the yellow button. Is it the same one your talking about? If so, what am I exactly tightening when I push all the way down? I did the fuel line thing with loosening the nuts, but still nothing. All my engine is doing now is taking the fuel, trying to turn over but struggling, then fuel line goes empty. I am thinking maybe a clog somewhere in the injector itself but am not entirely sure, since it was cold for a while here.
Sorry I have not been back to this thread to check for a response.
I was for some reaon thinking Mercedes
I guess you Engine does not have the same type of Hand Primer.
Who makes the Engine in the Ford? From what I could find on the internet it has a 2.0 L Mazda RF Diesel I4.

If one of the Injectors in the Engine is completely pluged this does not stop the Fuel Injection Pump from trying to deliver Fuel. In fact if an Injector becomes completely plugged usually the Fuel Injection line splits or craks off completely; as there is no place for the hydraulic pressure to go so the weakest point suffers.

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