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Old 03-03-2010, 11:01 AM
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W123 brake Master Cylinder shot or not?. (Pictures)

Is this brake master cylinder shot or is there some kind of seal that needs to be replaced?

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Old 03-03-2010, 11:11 AM
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Looks like.
There is an obvious leak at the shaft. Probably some inside the booster too.
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:58 PM
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They sell Master Cylinder Rebuild kits but they cost close to what a rebuilt Master Cylinder Costs. Also, If the Bore inside of the Master Cylinder is Pitted there is no point in rebuilding it yourself.
There is also a solid Pin or a Roll pin that you can see if you pull off the Reservoir and look into the Forward hole. That pin goes through the Master Cylinder Piston and needs to be removed before the Piston can come out.
Anyway, that is the type of Master Cylinder that is on mine.

The Chilton Manual shows 2 types of Master Cylinders. On has some Extra Valves on it and that one looks like it is easy to take apart.

I bought a Rebuilt from what was Kragen Auto Parts. I did not work entirely well but I left it on the car and it lasted about 1.5 years.
I bought an entirely new Master Cylinder From Auto Zone for $63 (the price went up a few months later) made by Fenco and it has worked good.
When I found my Paper Work I did go back and get another Rebuilt one under warranty but did not use
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:23 PM
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Good info posted already..
replace the MC and be sure the booster is in good shape before installing the new one to it...
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:42 PM
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Good info posted already..
replace the MC and be sure the booster is in good shape before installing the new one to it...
I can you tell if a booster works?
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I had a problem a few yrs ago, where I had to replace fluid every once in a while. didn`t have the fogyest idea where it was going. I finally pulled the MC, and the booster was about 1/2 full of fluid.

So not knowing what damage the brake fluid would cause to the booster, I just replaced booster and master cylinder. a little pricy, but it is MY safety Iam concerned about, and not interested to cut corners with the brakes.

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I can you tell if a booster works?
A very hard pedal that requires a lot of pressure to stop the car is the symptom of a bad booster. You can replicate the problem by removing (and plugging) the vacuum hose running to it. Do this in a driveway or parking lot.

To the OP, it sure looks like a failed M/C. As others have posted a new one is the way to go. You can try cleaning the booster ,inside and out, of brake fluid with denatured alcohol. Re-paint the exterior, otherwise nasty rust will result.
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:19 PM
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That master cylinder is leaking badly! They only cost about $70 to replace...however, your booster is probably done too.
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A very hard pedal that requires a lot of pressure to stop the car is the symptom of a bad booster. You can replicate the problem by removing (and plugging) the vacuum hose running to it. Do this in a driveway or parking lot.

To the OP, it sure looks like a failed M/C. As others have posted a new one is the way to go. You can try cleaning the booster ,inside and out, of brake fluid with denatured alcohol. Re-paint the exterior, otherwise nasty rust will result.
Oops, I meant out of the car. I got it with a bunch of other parts. It's a bit rusty, so it at least needs to be repainted.
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I am going to order a MC from fastlane. I'll see how the booster looks like before spending $350.

I appreciate everybody's help.

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I have had cars in the past where there were kits to fix the rubber in the Brake Booster..
all I remember is that it involved being sure there was plenty of talcum powder on it when it was installed...
I do not know if one is able these days to take it apart, examine, clean and reinstall...
But you do need to find out if the MC leaked INTO the brake booster...
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:38 AM
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I know its been mentioned a couple times already, but I destroyed a brake booster (and to this day i have a sneaking suspicion that also messed up a auto tranny) by unknowingly allowing the BB to fill with brake fluid. I was 20 yrs old though and thought my calipers were leaking (one was leaking for a while).

My point, if your BB is very full of fluid, make sure the REST of the vacuum system doesn't have traces of brake fluid in it!
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This is pretty comprehensive 'Brake Booster' article PDF file (from Lexus technical training) and I have exactly same problem as page 10&11 described.

http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/brake05.pdf
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The leak looks like the same leak that happened to me a while back.

The master cylinder actually was ok but there is a seal that was chewed up that goes between the cylinder and the booster.

Just get a new booster, they are cheap and have everything you need to get the job done. Make sure you do some searches on bench bleeding the new one with your new fluid before you take the old one out. This may be a good time to fully bleed your brakes as well.

As far as the booster, you probably have some brake fluid in your booster. Get a turkey baster and suck out the old fluid, unless you have to use excessive force to stop the car its probably not bad. If you do end up needing one, check around. I would never pay 350 for one. I went to my local checker auto parts store and they had a rebuilt one for my 1980 300sd for 50 bucks. If you cant find a rebuilt cheap, check junk yards. Boosters dont fail often.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:46 AM
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You'll find it's easy to suck the brake fluid out of the booster by using a turkey baster from the .99 Cents Store , then poke a clean rag down in and allow it to sop up the last little bit of brake fluid at the bottom , take your time doing this .

Be aware that one droplet of brake fluid on any painted surface will instantly ruin it before you can wipe it off so work carefully ! .

Rather thn bench bleeding the master cylinder , I prefer to use a pressure bleeder , it's cheap simple and easy , you'll have the tool to use again and still be less $ than paying a shop to do this simple job .

There's an O-Ring in the face of the M/C where it meets the booster , be SURE to use a new one ! .

You're supposed to change the brake fluid every two years regardless of milage but few do ~ once you have a pressure bleeder , this should change .

I typically bleed the system dry before taking off the old M/C to ensure I'm starting over with only fresh fluid throughout .

DO NOT use more than 3 # when pressure bleeding ! .

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