Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-07-2010, 11:01 PM
JHZR2's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 5,281
w123 Coupe Upper Window Seal Replacement

I am posting here to show pictures of my replacement of the upper window seals. I also did the front and rear window scrapers. Ill try to post my recollection of what I did at some point, likely not tonight. Feel free to ask questions. FYI, the big rubber parts over the windows are the Thai/Ebay ripoffs, not the felt-covered MB parts. I took a gamble, figuring that if they were lousy, Id be out $400, but if they were good, I'd be saving $600 over the cost of the OE ones. While the felt is nice, I can't say I notice it, and these work nicely.

























__________________
Current Diesels:
1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (113k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1993 300SD (291k)
1993 300D 2.5T (338k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K)
1985 300D (233K)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-07-2010, 11:03 PM
JHZR2's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 5,281




















__________________
Current Diesels:
1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (113k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1993 300SD (291k)
1993 300D 2.5T (338k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K)
1985 300D (233K)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-12-2010, 02:00 AM
johnathan1's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Downey, SoCal
Posts: 1,190
Where did you purchase these? They look like they work great!
__________________
Current cars:
2000 ML55 AMG, 174k miles
2003 C240 T-Modell, 202k miles
1995 S320, 207k Miles
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-12-2010, 03:22 AM
tfernandez's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 175
yes, please tell us where you got them, and how they are working out. any leaks?
__________________
1984 W123 300CD silver/blue *230k*
http://www.fuelly.com/sig-us/45166.png
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-12-2010, 08:13 AM
JHZR2's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 5,281
I got them on ebay from Animore. They are not always up on there.

No leaks, though I didnt put any glue or sealant between all the butt joints. If I spray directly with a hose some will squeeze through though.

Cut wind noise down some, still hear a bit but it is not bad, these cars dont have the best aerodynamics.

Only issue, and it is not the seal's fault, is that the DS window doesnt slip under the seal like it should. I thought it was this way because of the old seal being hard, but it does this with the new one too... Suppose this means it is actually a regulator geometry issue...
__________________
Current Diesels:
1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (113k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1993 300SD (291k)
1993 300D 2.5T (338k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K)
1985 300D (233K)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-12-2010, 09:38 AM
toomany MBZ's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: central Va
Posts: 7,820
There are a few pages in the FSM on how to adjust the window. It's too large a file for the forum, pm me if interested.
__________________
83 SD

84 CD
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-13-2011, 11:49 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2
Thanks for posting the pictures. Very helpful. Looks like a job I can do, and I was directed to your thread beause I asked about the Thai seals. Are they still working out?

Also, did you take steps to adjust the windows so they will sit in the right channel? When I bought my 300cd I momentarily forgot about the difficulty of dealing with windows that have no frame on top, and I really do need to get my regasketed and adjusted.

All the best,

CharlieV
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-14-2011, 12:28 AM
JHZR2's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 5,281
Charlie,

The first few questions I'd ask are:

-how much do you like your car, and do you plan to keep it for a while?
-what age is the car and how many miles?
-what does the frontmost rubber section (fatter/softer) look like compared to the rest of the seal?

I've made two mistakes... 1) going this long without adjusting the window alignment, and 2) not going for OE seals.

My reason for #2 isn't because the Thai seals are bad. They seal, they were cheap, and only during the car wash time when im spraying directly on the seal, do I see any water at all (few drops). My mistake is that though the frontmost section on the seal, the fatter section by the mirror, is softer/more pliable and resistant than the rest of the seal, it still isn't replaced by thai seals... It is reused... Which I thought was OK, and it probably is, but im now seeing cracks in the rubber there. Being anal, I don't want that.

So it has done me well, but I think that I'd replace the whole thing with oem so the front part gets done...

But I need to align the windows first to see how the seals actually sit when the windows are arranged so they are properly aligned with the rear window and the top of the car.
__________________
Current Diesels:
1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (113k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1993 300SD (291k)
1993 300D 2.5T (338k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K)
1985 300D (233K)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-07-2012, 04:23 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Europe, Czech Republic
Posts: 1
Hello, do you have Mercedes part Nr. of "frontmost section on the seal, the fatter section by the mirror, is softer/more pliable" ?

Thanks, Peter
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-09-2012, 12:54 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Out in the Boonies of Hot, Dry, Dusty, Windy Nevada
Posts: 9,673
Bump
__________________
there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-10-2012, 11:00 PM
JHZR2's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 5,281
I dont think that frontmost part up by the mirror is available by itself.

While the knockoffs dont have it, as I understand it, the OE MB seals come with the front section.

I wish I could get it by itself...
__________________
Current Diesels:
1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (113k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1993 300SD (291k)
1993 300D 2.5T (338k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K)
1985 300D (233K)
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-29-2016, 06:58 AM
dbparts's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Germany
Posts: 18
Hi together.
we produced such seals. Actually we got 4 more sets to sell.
Shipping to the states is no problem.
For any questions feel free to ask.
Mercedes W123 C123 123 Coupé CE Dichtung/Seal Rahmen 1237200154 1237200254 NEU | eBay
dpparts.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-29-2016, 09:34 AM
dbparts's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Germany
Posts: 18
Hi everybody.

as i can see you guys in the staates have the sample problem like we in europe
Some friends and i decided to reproduce such sealings. you can take a look here:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mercedes-W123-C123-123-Coupe-CE-Dichtung-Seal-Rahmen-1237200154-1237200254-NEU-/112151279653?hash=item1a1cbcb825:g:Q68AAOSwNRdX64cS

We can produce more seals if we have enough buyers. So please give me a feedback if you need a set of sealings for the coupe.

For any questions feel free to ask.

kind regards.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-30-2016, 11:11 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: DFW, Texas
Posts: 302
That's great news for all of us coupe lovers and owners. Just a couple of questions after reviewing your ebay auction, not real clear on whether or not these seals extend the full distance all the way down the A-pillar or not, could be an issue with the German to English translation. Also, what type of material are these made of? What about the "window wipers" both interior and exterior? There are also a couple of other peculiar pieces of rubber for the doors that are not a part of the long wrap around seal, do you have replacements for any of those?
__________________
Dedicated to the preservation of antique Mercedes Benz's, one rusty ol' bucket of bolts at a time!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-04-2016, 07:30 AM
dbparts's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Germany
Posts: 18
Seals are made out of black EPDM like the originals.

This are the seals for the above frame a-pillar -> c- Pillar. Number 2 of the drawing. Attached you will find some pictures maybe it's more clear if you have a look.


I colored the sealings dotted orange. You will get 4 parts. Left two sealings right two.



The red crossed item is not part of the set. Normally this part is in good condition.


That's not the window wipers for inside or outside. Look at the pics. Thats just the sealings for the above frame.
The inside ones are very expensive and no more available. If we have enough people we can produce also the inside wiper (number 7).
I can also deliver you the outside ones (number 6), this are also reproductions.




hope this helps.

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page