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Old 05-28-2010, 12:01 PM
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W124 300d 602 - Electro Magnetic clutch ?

Is it possible to put a Electro magnetic clutch on the 602 ( 1991 300D ) engine's radiator fan ? if so does anyone know the cross reference on application or where I could find such a thing ?

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Old 05-28-2010, 01:36 PM
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Is your viscous clutch bad? Or do you just want to see if it can be done?
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Old 05-28-2010, 03:50 PM
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It is that I am never sure how well the viscous clutch is working at any given time. Basically I disagree with the premise of the operation of such a critical component the function of which is not easily discernible.

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Old 05-28-2010, 08:28 PM
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The early 190D had a magnetic clutch, '84-??
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:32 PM
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My sister's 190E has the magnetic clutch for the fan, but it doesn't work....car does not overheat however. Very strange. The large aux fan does work though, so its safe from overheating even if that becomes an issue.

I much prefer the mechanical fan setup.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:40 PM
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I have to ask- Why not just use an electric fan? You can even wire it to run any time the key is on, and it'll draw less power than a mechanical one.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:48 PM
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I am sure it could be rigged. the shafts are about the same size, I'll play with the 93 I have... I needed something to don on monday anyway...
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:54 PM
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You have an electromagnetic clutch on your aircon compressor.
The viscous clutches work for years without problems, when they are done, just replace it.
How could you be sure an electromagnetic one was working?
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:10 PM
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You have an electromagnetic clutch on your aircon compressor.
The viscous clutches work for years without problems, when they are done, just replace it.
How could you be sure an electromagnetic one was working?
By jumping the sensor and watching it engage.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:16 PM
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its a bit hard to jump the sensor & look at the fan when you are doing 40 down the road.
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Thanks to all for your replies, vstech please do let me know what you find out sounds interesting... also the issue of how a person might check the functional condition of an electromagnet fan is as another poster here said... just jump the sensor and even at idle you will be able to hear and see the magnet clutch engage... straightforward that is what I am searching for as opposed to the viscous coupling.

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the only issue i can think of, is that even cold, the visco fan pulls some air. the em clutch would not pull any air. when off...
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This is true - but there is no need for any air flow until the engine reaches the desired temp. That said the argument could be made that when the A/C is on it is good to have some air flow over the condensor regardless of road speed. Well this is true and why it is that MB decided in its infinite wisdom to not run the electric fans continuously when the A/C is on ( at least when the vehicle is under a given road speed ) is a mystery to me. This point can be easily remedied by bridging into the electric fan relay ( leaving the OE wiring intact ) and adding a second relay that takes its control signal from the compressor initiate wire or better yet from the ECU signal that powers up the A/C circuit ( if it is practical to find in the heat/A/C ECU labyrinth ) so that the fans would run continuous regardless of weather the compressor clutch was actually engaged. food for thought anyway...

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Old 05-28-2010, 10:32 PM
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I would think that a fan clutch controlled by a temp switch on the thermostat housing would result in quieter driving and better fuel economy. It takes some umph to keep that fan spinning all the time.

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I have to ask- Why not just use an electric fan? You can even wire it to run any time the key is on, and it'll draw less power than a mechanical one.
The reason is two fold

1) the elctric fan pushes the air through and the mechanical fan pulls the air - the two thereby working together when the utmost is needed

2) as cooling is pivotal in wether or not your engine lives or dies - it is not wise to rely on one system alone as any one system can fail.
* I know many manufacturers do it but most of the time they have two separately initiated electric fans and we have here a system that is designed to have both the mechanical and the electric and I do not think it wise to eliminate one as really all systems should have both

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