PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/index.php)
-   Diesel Discussion (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/forumdisplay.php?f=15)
-   -   300SDL overheats (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=281074)

theref 07-16-2010 04:09 PM

When you replaced the standard fan and fan clutch
 
with electric fan/s, what did you do re the aux fan switch in the top front of the engine? The aux fan is in front of the radiator. Aside from its use with AC, it is my understanding that it also comes on when heat rises from load conditions. You may have replaced its functions with another electric fan, but the aux fan really reduces the temp when it comes on going up hills. And, if your new fan relies on that switch to turn on, you could have a bad switch which is very common. Also your definition of normal temp may be quite low. I have read that anything below ~110 is OK-but only under load.

CANDIDE 07-16-2010 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eltito (Post 2506756)
Lol - awesome. I'll keep my eyes open.

Reason I ask is that I passed a guy in a black 300SDL going up Bass Lake grade a few weeks back, then saw him later on Pleasant Valley Rd. Stood out because it's exactly the same color scheme as my car - even had the same wheels!

If your ever out and about in P*Ville and you see a tall bald guy in a black & silver 87 SDL with a Biodiesel emblem on the trunk, feel free to say hello.

Incidentally, I'm having the exact same overheating issues you are. Just ordered a new Behr radiator and I'm hoping that takes care of it. Only things that won't be new after that is the water pump, monovalve and temp gauge.

I'm also missing the noise panels that are supposed to be under the engine. No idea how that affects cooling.

Could altitude have anything to do with it? We're not that high up, I don't see why it would.

We are at about 3000', yes the air is a tad thinner, but I don't think it matters. It increases the boiling point of water a few degrees.

I haven't seen many sdl up here, if I see yours I'll give a hello.

CANDIDE 07-16-2010 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theref (Post 2506904)
with electric fan/s, what did you do re the aux fan switch in the top front of the engine? The aux fan is in front of the radiator. Aside from its use with AC, it is my understanding that it also comes on when heat rises from load conditions. You may have replaced its functions with another electric fan, but the aux fan really reduces the temp when it comes on going up hills. And, if your new fan relies on that switch to turn on, you could have a bad switch which is very common. Also your definition of normal temp may be quite low. I have read that anything below ~110 is OK-but only under load.

I've got a 16" fan and a 10" in a steel shroud that is 1/2" above the radiator. They both kick on at 80C. My controller uses the MBZ temp sensor for its reference. The temp I read on my gauge matches my IR gun within a few degrees.
It seems worse since I installed the new radiator and thermostat, but, the ambient temperature has risen lately. Last few days its been 90-100F. AC sure works good...too bad it exacerbates the temp issue:(
Anyhow, once I get my home projects under controll and the stock market takes the dive, I'm betting on, I'll have the time and a few extra bucks to devote to Whitey.

After reading the troubleshooting guide, I'll investigate the air flow through the radiator. Although, at freeway speeds the fans are not the main source of cooling.

Brian Carlton 07-17-2010 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CANDIDE (Post 2505775)
I have 2 electric fans and a custom shroud instead of stock fan.
Plenty of hot air being emitted from fans.




But, obviously I'm missing something.



You've clearly replaced every single component in that system and, at this point, it should be operating perfectly.........with one glaring exception.

When you change the airflow characteristics via the use of different fans/shrouding........etc, the result must be considered an experiment. You claim that "plenty of hot air is being emitted by the fans", however the engine might beg to differ with you.

Airflow across the radiator is a complicated subject at higher speeds and the fans may impede this airflow rather than enhance it.

I'd change back to the stock setup and see if your issue disappears.

CANDIDE 07-17-2010 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2507293)
You've clearly replaced every single component in that system and, at this point, it should be operating perfectly.........with one glaring exception.

When you change the airflow characteristics via the use of different fans/shrouding........etc, the result must be considered an experiment. You claim that "plenty of hot air is being emitted by the fans", however the engine might beg to differ with you.

Airflow across the radiator is a complicated subject at higher speeds and the fans may impede this airflow rather than enhance it.

I'd change back to the stock setup and see if your issue disappears.

Yes, that makes perfect sense.

CANDIDE 07-27-2010 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2507293)
You've clearly replaced every single component in that system and, at this point, it should be operating perfectly.........with one glaring exception.

When you change the airflow characteristics via the use of different fans/shrouding........etc, the result must be considered an experiment. You claim that "plenty of hot air is being emitted by the fans", however the engine might beg to differ with you.

Airflow across the radiator is a complicated subject at higher speeds and the fans may impede this airflow rather than enhance it.

I'd change back to the stock setup and see if your issue disappears.

I installed the original mechanical fan. The overheating is worse. And the engine feels more sluggish under acceleration. So, I went back to my electric fans. Also, today I removed the new MBZ thermostat and put my original MBZ thermostat back in. It runs cooler. About 10-15 degrees C cooler. Both thermostats have identical P/Ns and were bought from the same MBZ EDH dealership.

And now I measure 30-40 degrees F difference between upper and lower radiadtor hose.

I am happy with the reduction in operating temperature, I am, however, flummoxed by the difference by changing 2 identical part number thermostats. I have other projects that compel me, so I can't delve into a more definite description of my overheating problem.

latitude500 07-27-2010 04:26 PM

I ended up replacing my fan clutch and drilling a hole in my therm and all is nice and cool. Just a hair over 80C .

CANDIDE 07-27-2010 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latitude500 (Post 2513954)
I ended up replacing my fan clutch and drilling a hole in my therm and all is nice and cool. Just a hair over 80C .


Fan clutch tests good.
What size hole did you drill in the thermostat?

Brian Carlton 07-29-2010 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CANDIDE (Post 2513568)

I am happy with the reduction in operating temperature, I am, however, flummoxed by the difference by changing 2 identical part number thermostats. I have other projects that compel me, so I can't delve into a more definite description of my overheating problem.


Clearly, M/B quality control is not what it should be............

CANDIDE 08-11-2010 06:08 PM

Update
 
2 Attachment(s)
When I went back to my original thermostat, the overall engine temps did drop, I still was still unable to use the ac going up Bass Lake grade on highway 50. If ac on then engine temp would hit 110C, with it off, about 95-100C.

Today I modified my spare thermostat by cutting the springs out, heating it until it was opened 1/2 inch, then soldering the main brass shaft and the diverter in place. It fixes it open all the time and retains the diverter.

It was cool today at 80F, I drove up Bass Lake grade with ac on at 65-70mph and the temp hit 95C max. I am a happy camper. I know that I'll have to change back the original thermostat in November, but its a small price for the engine temp reduction.

Before, when I re-installed the old thermostat, and today when I installed the modified thermostat, I had to drain coolant. When I poured the coolant back in, I poured it into the upper radiator hose untill it started to dribble out of the radiator top hose nipple, the rest of the coolant was poured into the tank. This method seems to get more air out of the head. Later I parked the car on a hill to add coolant to the hose and found I could not add any, usually I could add coolant a couple of times before it was full. This may have been what dropped my engine temps when I re-installed the original thermostat, unable to say for sure.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:58 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website