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anghrist 09-14-2010 02:34 PM

W210 E300 Suspension Rebuild & etc. Input?
 
Hey guys,
Been a while since posting anything here, but I thought this warranted attention. I have discovered that my LCA busings are totally shot (vibration, swaying and clunking). I pried on the front LCA busings and the wheels and tires would move in and out substantially. So I know that at the very least a replacement of the LCA busings are in order. As long as I am under the car I plan on the following:
Complete front and rear suspension rebuild -
H&R Front and Rear Springs w/new spring insulators
H&R Front and Rear Sway bars (If Todd at TM Engineering in Carson, CA will ship them to me).
KONI FSD Front and Rear (to replace original shocks)
KMAC Front Camber/Caster Kit
New Upper Control Arms (front)
New Tie rods and ends (front)
New Ball Joints (front)
New Spring Link w/bushing (rear)
New control arm set (rear)
New adjustable camber arms (rear)
New subframe bushings (rear)
New Motor Mounts
New Battery (chasing oil level and coolant level sensor gremlins)
Coolant Flush
Complete Brake system rebuild -
ATE slotted rotors (front & rear)
Parking brake rebuild
Akebono front & rear pads
Stainless Steel Braided lines
ATE Super Blue fluid (after flush)
Has anyone here installed the KMAC front comber/caster kit on the W210? If so why are two bushings skewed and the others just eccentric, and which go where?
Has anyone here ordered from TM Engineering in Carson, CA? How long do they take for order fulfillment? I can't wait too much longer.
I plan on taking about two days to accomplish all of the above. Then taking the car in for alignment, coolant flush and any remaining testing and diagnostics.
I've viewed some of the online DIYs and it seems like most of these can be done within a two day period. Any suggestions, comments, rude remarks?

TMAllison 09-14-2010 07:40 PM

I'd go with New factory LCA's. They come with bushings already installed installed. You'll appreciate not having to mess with pressing them in and out; isn't as easy as it seems due to the shape of the LCA.

EdzBenz 09-14-2010 09:51 PM

Don't forget new sway bar links in your list. Or, maybe I missed that cause you have a huge list!

My LCA bushings, tie rods, sway bar links and wheel bearings were just replaced. I went with polyurethane LCA bushings which were pressed back into the LCA's. I had my indy do this work and it wasn't terrible for him or on my wallet. I figured I didn't want to have to do this work again on the LCA's and the polyurethane bushings are the only permanent solution. Plus, the handling of the poly bushings will correspond with the type of handling with what you'll get out of your upgraded suspension set up.

anghrist 09-15-2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TMAllison (Post 2544710)
I'd go with New factory LCA's. They come with bushings already installed installed. You'll appreciate not having to mess with pressing them in and out; isn't as easy as it seems due to the shape of the LCA.

I understand that they can be a bit of a challenge. I'm setting aside four days to accomplish all of this work. I was thinking ahead and have already aqcuired a LCA busing tool. I know that this will help diminish the frustrtation but not totally remove it.

anghrist 09-15-2010 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EdzBenz (Post 2544777)
Don't forget new sway bar links in your list. Or, maybe I missed that cause you have a huge list!

Replacing sway bar links and upgrading to H&R sway bars.

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Originally Posted by EdzBenz (Post 2544777)
My LCA bushings, tie rods, sway bar links and wheel bearings were just replaced. I went with polyurethane LCA bushings which were pressed back into the LCA's. I had my indy do this work and it wasn't terrible for him or on my wallet. I figured I didn't want to have to do this work again on the LCA's and the polyurethane bushings are the only permanent solution. Plus, the handling of the poly bushings will correspond with the type of handling with what you'll get out of your upgraded suspension set up.

That's what I am hoping for. 90% of my driving is on the freeways of the California deserts and central valley (flat and straight). But every once in a while I like to run through the canyons to play on the twisties.

speednjay 09-15-2010 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EdzBenz (Post 2544777)
Don't forget new sway bar links in your list. Or, maybe I missed that cause you have a huge list!

My LCA bushings, tie rods, sway bar links and wheel bearings were just replaced. I went with polyurethane LCA bushings which were pressed back into the LCA's. I had my indy do this work and it wasn't terrible for him or on my wallet. I figured I didn't want to have to do this work again on the LCA's and the polyurethane bushings are the only permanent solution. Plus, the handling of the poly bushings will correspond with the type of handling with what you'll get out of your upgraded suspension set up.

where did you get the poly bushings?

speednjay 09-15-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by anghrist (Post 2545068)
I understand that they can be a bit of a challenge. I'm setting aside four days to accomplish all of this work. I was thinking ahead and have already aqcuired a LCA busing tool. I know that this will help diminish the frustrtation but not totally remove it.

hey if you want a hand with the work i dont live too far from you and would like to get some hands on experience. i'll be doing the same stuff on my car sometime in the near future.

anghrist 09-15-2010 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by speednjay (Post 2545341)
where did you get the poly bushings?

FP Groton has the polyurethane bushings for the LCAs. http://www.fcpgroton.com/product-exec/product_id/22488/nm/Mercedes_Control_Arm_Polyurethane_Bushings_ADUS_598/category_id/181

I plan on using KMAC's camber/caster kit that supplies polyurethane bushings with a great deal of adjustment.

anghrist 09-16-2010 04:05 PM

I've had to order the H&R Sway Bars from another supplier (JDM Performance in Staten Island). The folks at TM Engineering in Carson, CA would not respond to any of my e-mails or even pick up the phone. E-mailed and faxed in requests to cancel the order with them.

Picked up the H&R Springs today, most of the other stuff is in the garage just waiting...

EdzBenz 09-16-2010 04:27 PM

What was the total cost for the H&R Sway bars? Please post an update once you install everything. I've heard that the bushings on the H&R sways squeak during operation. Thanks,

anghrist 09-16-2010 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EdzBenz (Post 2545856)
What was the total cost for the H&R Sway bars? Please post an update once you install everything. I've heard that the bushings on the H&R sways squeak during operation. Thanks,

I got the swaybars for $401 delivered. (I think I probably could've found the stock E55 versions for less)

Yeah, I read that the bushings can squeak on the H&R sawybars, but I suspect that if other parts of the suspension are worn, then the H&R swaybar bushings will probably not last long. That's one reason that I'm replacing all of it in one go.

speednjay 09-16-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by anghrist (Post 2545452)
FP Groton has the polyurethane bushings for the LCAs. http://www.fcpgroton.com/product-exec/product_id/22488/nm/Mercedes_Control_Arm_Polyurethane_Bushings_ADUS_598/category_id/181

I plan on using KMAC's camber/caster kit that supplies polyurethane bushings with a great deal of adjustment.

the information says the bushings are just for the inner lower of the control arm..is tthat a typo? will 1 kit do 1 control arm?

EdzBenz 09-17-2010 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by speednjay (Post 2545875)
the information says the bushings are just for the inner lower of the control arm..is tthat a typo? will 1 kit do 1 control arm?

The kit includes a total of two identical bushings. These are for each side of the car and the inner portion of the control arm. It's the bigger of the two bushings on the LCA. The bigger bushing is the one that typically wears out. Mine were completely shot, with lots of movement, when I replaced them. The smaller bushings on each LCA were intact and working properly and I didn't need to replace them.

anghrist 09-17-2010 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EdzBenz (Post 2546430)
The kit includes a total of two identical bushings. These are for each side of the car and the inner portion of the control arm. It's the bigger of the two bushings on the LCA. The bigger bushing is the one that typically wears out. Mine were completely shot, with lots of movement, when I replaced them. The smaller bushings on each LCA were intact and working properly and I didn't need to replace them.

Yep. It's the cheapest polyurethane bushing available. Of course if you're dropping the car using sport springs, you would need something to help with the change in camber as well. That's why I'm using the KMAC kit.

speednjay 09-18-2010 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdzBenz (Post 2546430)
The kit includes a total of two identical bushings. These are for each side of the car and the inner portion of the control arm. It's the bigger of the two bushings on the LCA. The bigger bushing is the one that typically wears out. Mine were completely shot, with lots of movement, when I replaced them. The smaller bushings on each LCA were intact and working properly and I didn't need to replace them.

is that the front bushings? the front lca bushings are shot while the rears bushings are solid.


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