Startmotor 200/220D fit on a 300D ? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

skalie · #1 12-30-2010, 02:33 PM

Title says it all I guess, thanks in advance

vstech · #2 12-30-2010, 02:43 PM

nope

skalie · #3 12-30-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vstech

nope

Um, just did some google research and the same starter is offerred online for a 300D and a 220D.

Talking oldtimer parts here.

vstech · #4 12-30-2010, 02:52 PM

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=290838
this thread is where someone tried, and found the gears are different, and the shafts are not the same to swap the gears...

skalie · #5 12-30-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vstech

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=290838
this thread is where someone tried, and found the gears are different, and the shafts are not the same to swap the gears...

Ok, thanks for that, although I'm still hopefull, maybe the 300D motor I have is of an older species..

pawoSD · #6 12-30-2010, 03:04 PM

The 300 is a heavier/bigger motor with a lot more for the starter to move. For the best starting results I'd recommend a 617 turbo starter, as it has the highest power output and will crank the fastest.

skalie · #7 12-30-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

The 300 is a heavier/bigger motor with a lot more for the starter to move. For the best starting results I'd recommend a 617 turbo starter, as it has the highest power output and will crank the fastest.

Once again, thanks for that.

This is a quick fix* as it goes, my 300D isn't turning over quick enough to crank up, it's like -9 degrees here, and I have a starter from my 200D which has a 9 volt core in it which turns over very quickly, talking "615" motors here I believe.

Guess tomorrow will involve checking engine numbers.

( * need reliable car next week )

pawoSD · #8 12-30-2010, 04:10 PM

If your issue is already that it is not cranking fast enough at -9.

Then I'd be getting the most powerful starter available! Do you mean -9C I assume? Thats nothing!

I have successfully started my car with no auxiliary heaters at -26C Good battery, glow plugs, starter, compression, synthetic oil, and valve adjustment all play a critical role at that point.

skalie · #9 12-30-2010, 04:24 PM

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synthetic oil

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

Plan A for tomorrow was to get the thing started by hook or by crook ( probably with help from the AAA, or whatever the local car help society where you are is called ), and change the oil to a lighter grade. 40W 10 was my plan.

.............. but now you mention synthetic, maybe thing have slowed down startwise due to me adding mineral oil to what originally was synthetic ?????

*goes off to research car oils*

And while this thread is drifting totally off topic, a traveller friend of mine once told me that he used to use diesel as the lubricant for a few minutes between oil changes, in the interests of cleaning the inside of the motor, feasible ?

skalie · #10 12-30-2010, 04:26 PM

..... and, er, yes, - 9 degrees celsius.

layback40 · #11 12-30-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by skalie

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

Plan A for tomorrow was to get the thing started by hook or by crook ( probably with help from the AAA, or whatever the local car help society where you are is called ), and change the oil to a lighter grade. 40W 10 was my plan.

.............. but now you mention synthetic, maybe thing have slowed down startwise due to me adding mineral oil to what originally was synthetic ?????

*goes off to research car oils*

And while this thread is drifting totally off topic, a traveller friend of mine once told me that he used to use diesel as the lubricant for a few minutes between oil changes, in the interests of cleaning the inside of the motor, feasible ?

Do that often & wont be traveling much!! Very bad idea. Good way to damage bottom end of the motor.

Get yourself a small domestic fan forced heater, the type you can get at most cheap shops, put it under the front of the car & heat until you cant put your hand on the hood. It will turn over & start like mid summer.

vstech · #12 12-30-2010, 08:29 PM

9v starter? interesting...
too bad you're not closer... I've got 3 617 starters in my shop... oh well.
I suppose you have all the battery terminals clean, and have a good battery... mineral oil? you mean dino diesel rated oil, or actually mineral oil? -9C is something like 16F or so, right? that's pretty cold for a weak battery, and starter and glow plugs, and dino oil... I don't suppose there is a source for Rotella 5w40 synthetic near you...

skalie · #13 12-30-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by layback40

Get yourself a small domestic fan forced heater, the type you can get at most cheap shops, put it under the front of the car & heat until you cant put your hand on the hood. It will turn over & start like mid summer.

That sounds like a much preferable option than doing mid-winter mechanics on an icy street, will do.

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I don't suppose there is a source for Rotella 5w40 synthetic near you...

..... quite possibly, quite civilized here regarding availability of parts etc., if the part needed can be identified that is.

Tomorrow when I get the thing started ( crosses fingers ), my intention is to change to a lighter oil, hadn't considered going as light as 5w 40, currently using 15W 40.

According to one source on the web, mixing synthetics with mineral oils isn't such a bad thing, so maybe flushing the lubrication system between changes won't be necessary.

vstech · #14 12-30-2010, 09:09 PM

most of us here use 5w40 diesel rated oil. wonderful starting speeds, and great operating temp pressures. I don't think many of us flush their engines. this may have been needed on gassers with the old types of oils, and poor change intervals, but if decent changes are followed, and good oils are used, a flush should not be needed.

skalie · #15 12-31-2010, 09:02 AM

Apologies for topping a self derailed thread, but in gratitude to those that offerred advice......

Tried to get some synthetic 5W 40 oil for the old dear, they wouldn't sell it to me, one accessory store saying that it could dig up sludge, the other saying it might attack the seals / head gasket.

So at the end of the day I ended up buying fresh oil, 15W 40 mineral and a new oil filter, can't do any harm was my thinking, only to find that I don't have the correct allen key to open the sump.

Good news, however, got the thing started, mainly attributed to the warmer weather ( 3 Celsius ), currently carrying 3 batteries, two chargers, jumper cables and an electric start help thing that doesn't seem to do much.

Happy New Year all, and safe driving.