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Old 08-04-2011, 02:27 PM
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perhaps I'm too picky with problems on cars?
Well after all the work I've done on mine I think it would have saved me money to buy you a return air fare...

...Are you available to help with the next one? It will probably be a W109 or may be a w112 coupe... (in my dreams)

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Old 08-05-2011, 12:05 AM
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I took a look at this review.

I got as far as the first sentence and stopped ...

Good-looking cars with slightly better ride and handling than W124.

I've owned both. There is no comparison. We all know what the 124s are like. Classic old-school Mercedes E-Class.

Well the 210 is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. It's a border-line performance vehicle.

I'm not much interested in what he has to say after that. He's just missed the mark.

The life-time transmission fluid is what I never liked. And, of course the blower motor/regulator seems inevitable.
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Old 08-05-2011, 05:15 AM
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perhaps I'm too picky with problems on cars?
Picky is good !!!
At the end of the day its still up to the individual what they decide.
All you can do is make them aware of as many faults as you can find.
You may earn yourself a reputation amongst dodgy sellers as some one to avoid. But I think you would agree that would be a good thing !!!
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Old 08-05-2011, 12:50 PM
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Picky is good !!!
At the end of the day its still up to the individual what they decide.
All you can do is make them aware of as many faults as you can find.
You may earn yourself a reputation amongst dodgy sellers as some one to avoid. But I think you would agree that would be a good thing !!!
heh, yeah, the dealer called me up upset that I told the customer about the issues, and gave my opinon about the possibilities of the damage to the car. he did not think I should have told the customer MY CUSTOMER the worst case scenario...
jerk
anyway, I told the customer that if the fuel lines were drained, the tank cleaned, the filters changed, and it ran smooth, then POSSIBLY the car would be worth it at the asking price, but not if you had to do it.
all the rust was minor, and the perches and towers were light rust, but it was evident.
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Old 08-05-2011, 01:23 PM
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I took a look at this review.

I got as far as the first sentence and stopped ...

Good-looking cars with slightly better ride and handling than W124.

I've owned both. There is no comparison. We all know what the 124s are like. Classic old-school Mercedes E-Class.

Well the 210 is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. It's a border-line performance vehicle.

I'm not much interested in what he has to say after that. He's just missed the mark.

The life-time transmission fluid is what I never liked. And, of course the blower motor/regulator seems inevitable.
Honest John writes for the European market in particular for the British market. I can understand how in the US a W210 might be considered to be a border-line performance vehicle however here they are the sort of things used by farmers and taxi drivers...

The benefit of reading his reviews in my opinion is the valuable technical based feedback information. If you look through the blah blah blah stuff you should be able to see some useful pointers if you plan to buy an unknown-car-to-you.
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Old 08-05-2011, 01:37 PM
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Honest John writes for the European market in particular for the British market. I can understand how in the US a W210 might be considered to be a border-line performance vehicle however here they are the sort of things used by farmers and taxi drivers...

The benefit of reading his reviews in my opinion is the valuable technical based feedback information. If you look through the blah blah blah stuff you should be able to see some useful pointers if you plan to buy an unknown-car-to-you.
Sure. It's possible I mighta been a bit harsh.

But I have to tell you after 15+ years in 115, 123, 124 diesels when I got my E430 my hormones perked up a bit.

It sure wasn't the same old with just a little tweak. Lowered body, tighter suspension, rack-and-pinion, the electronic traction control works well and going from a 4 or 5 cylinder diesel to a v-8 gas - well, it's a good thing that I didn't get the E500.

But I'm back in my 124 diesel, lower insurance and no tickets.
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Old 08-05-2011, 01:45 PM
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But I'm back in my 124 diesel, lower insurance and no tickets.
Oh I could get tickets in a W124 - no problems. That's one of the reasons why I bought a W123 300D!
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Old 08-05-2011, 03:52 PM
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Oh I could get tickets in a W124 - no problems. That's one of the reasons why I bought a W123 300D!
Do I hear 115 240D!

It's been fun.

The E430 w210 is quite a ride.
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Old 08-05-2011, 03:55 PM
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Oh I could get tickets in a W124 - no problems. That's one of the reasons why I bought a W123 300D!
You can get a ticket pretty easy in a W123 300D too....

Might be a lot harder doing it in a 240D however.
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Old 08-05-2011, 08:33 PM
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heh, yeah, the dealer called me up upset that I told the customer about the issues, and gave my opinon about the possibilities of the damage to the car. he did not think I should have told the customer MY CUSTOMER the worst case scenario...
jerk
anyway, I told the customer that if the fuel lines were drained, the tank cleaned, the filters changed, and it ran smooth, then POSSIBLY the car would be worth it at the asking price, but not if you had to do it.
all the rust was minor, and the perches and towers were light rust, but it was evident.
John,
When the dodgy dealers are to scared to even talk to you, then & only then have you reached the balance of being as harsh as you should be !!!
The good honest dealers will not be concerned for your pickyness!
They will see it as a good thing knowing potential purchasers are going in with their eyes wide open.

A comment from a far ~ you are probably not quite there yet !!
So feel free to be a little bit more picky!!!!

When sellers compare you with an annoying stone in their shoe, you have it about right !!!

We have a saying in Australia ~ "Keep the Ba##ards Honest" !!

It may apply some times in these cases.

Its a very cocky sales man who rings you complaining of your fault finding skills !!
A decent honest one would have fixed the problem first & then rang you to thank you for alerting every one to the problem !!!
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Old 08-06-2011, 10:41 AM
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Put it on a lift and get a real close look where the evap drips condensate out and see if you can tell if there is any oil coming from the evap. I just came accross a 97 E320 that needs an evap and after sitting in the shop for a few days there was an oil stain where the discharge is. Also, there is an expensive update to the hvac blower. New parts from the dealer are ~$770. Based on how good a friend you are looking at it for you may or may not want to drop the blower out to see if it has been updated.
Where was the oil stain from the evap core?
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Old 08-06-2011, 11:39 AM
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You can get a ticket pretty easy in a W123 300D too....

Might be a lot harder doing it in a 240D however.
@boneheaddoctor and sjh

May be I should just go for something more agricultural then? Unimog?

The problem is that I do want to get there though...
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Old 08-06-2011, 01:07 PM
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:15 AM
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@boneheaddoctor and sjh

May be I should just go for something more agricultural then? Unimog?

The problem is that I do want to get there though...
I know what you are saying....even a 240D will get you speeding tickets....the only difference is you almost have to be trying at that point. But realistically...if its in good condition, it will still be fairly quiet and smooth at 80 mph...and that's enough to get you in big trouble with the lower speed limits on the east coast. Not like North Dakota and some other places that have a 75 mph limit on highways.

And in the Netherlands where I see you are from.....you likely have LOTS of speed cameras everyplace like I see in Italy, I spend all my spare time there. I have a place there and a few vehicles, as well as a partnership in a small business. Been a few decades since I was last in the Netherlands, so I don't know what average speeds are around there.
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:28 PM
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And in the Netherlands where I see you are from.....you likely have LOTS of speed cameras everyplace like I see in Italy, I spend all my spare time there. I have a place there and a few vehicles, as well as a partnership in a small business. Been a few decades since I was last in the Netherlands, so I don't know what average speeds are around there.
The average speed of a car in town makes cycling faster.

The Dutch are very good at coming up with yet another smart idea to upset drivers. They have average speed camera systems in the west and loads of mobile speed cameras. They hide the mobile ones in little rubbish bins where I live. Further south from me they were quite famous for setting fire to the fixed speed cameras... but that trend seems to have died out now.

The silliest thing I have ever seen was on a slip road to a busy motorway outside of Utrecht, There was a combined traffic light and speed camera system that only allowed one car at a time to go through. The light would literally flash green then go back to red - by which point you should have screamed the tits off of your crappy little Euro death box to get up to motorway speeds to join the traffic within about 25 meters. The system was set in such a way that you had to come to a standstill before the light went green. It promoted a lot of bad driving. People would either just stubbornly drive in front of the faster traffic on the motorway at a really low speed or drive like they were drag racing weaving from lane to lane to ease the frustration...

...and then the English made a similar system on the M27 just outside of Southampton...

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