Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-30-2012, 01:13 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 96
Emergency fix for rust in tank

Hi, this forum has been wonderful over the years helping me keep my 220D as a daily driver (30mpg too, measured over 40K miles). So thanks to you all.

Compared to you folks, I'm a novice, but I did happen on something that may help one or more of you in the future.

My fuel gauge sender came apart in the tank, no problem, I have several parts cars. But the different pieces stirred up rust in the tank before I got to fix the sender. Next time I'll know that when the fuel gauge starts to move rapidly, the little maze at the bottom of the sender is loose and the sender should be pulled at once before it falls apart.

Anyway, I finally got all the pieces out, but my filters kept plugging with rust, at the worst of times - once in snow near Death Valley. I don't have time to pull a tank and get it repaired (they are all rusty to some extent), but what I did solved the problem: tape a magnet to the primary fuel filter, the little clear, screen one. Use clear wrapping tape. You can see the rust build up inside and empty it when needed.

Now, my tank has settled down, with all its rust secure, and the magnet has done the job. But I'm leaving it there.

Hope this helps someone.

Ron

__________________
1971 220D, daily driver, new paint, 142K
1973 220D, low compression
1975 300D, back on the road! 166K
1971 220D, salvage, rear hit, engine excellent
1972 250, bad cam, but runs!
1971 230, engine stuck
1971 220D, low compression, rusty
1976 240D, salvage, engine excellent
1966 230SL, water in oil after rebuild
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-30-2012, 01:34 AM
gastropodus's Avatar
Mercedes Benz apprentice
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 434
I love this idea! I'm going to get a magnet and tape it on there soon.

Kurt
__________________
- '79 240D - engine swap complete! Engine broken in! 28-31 mpg! Lovin' the ride!
- '86 190D (W201-126) - 2.5 NA engine, 5 speed, cloth interior, manual climate controls, 33-34 mpg (sold to forum member).
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-30-2012, 08:10 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Mountains in South Carolina
Posts: 703
Nice idea. Nice to see a '71 getting 40MPG too.
__________________
1982 300SD
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-30-2012, 08:12 AM
Save the manuals!
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: .
Posts: 3,477
Nice job. Definitely up for the MacGyver award.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-30-2012, 10:22 AM
1978 300D, Georga car
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 208
Vinegar works great for removing rust in tanks, but you would have to pull it out. First remove fuel traces with thinner. Fill it with vinegar and let it stand for 1 day. Shake some griveway gravel inside to remove the cakey buildup. Rinse with water and then alcohol to remove the water.
I have cleaned some very corroded tanks and it was so easy.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-30-2012, 10:27 AM
Simpler=Better's Avatar
Ham Shanker
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 2,544
You are probably the only person to ever actually get +5hp from a magnet on the fuel line :p
__________________
$60 OM617 Blank Exhaust Flanges
$110 OM606 Blank Exhaust Flanges
No merc at the moment
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-30-2012, 03:52 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Posts: 6,510
The metal used to make gas tanks is called tern steel in north america, It is steel coated on both sides with lead basically. Probably other propitary metals in the mix as well.

This I mentioned just for the benifit of anyone out there not aware. Starting in the sixties or even a little earlier the thickness was seriously reduced.Cost cutting and replacement business I suppose as their in house cost was around eight dollars to manufacture a cars gas tank.I had heard that price mentioned a few times over the years.

In order to have true rust develop in a tank the original coating must have been sacrificed perhaps by electroylis over time or something. I always caution making sure it is indeed rust before using any strong cleaner that may attack the original coating.

Very old dried gas can look like rust. The poster obviously was capturing iron oxide with his magnet and I think that was an excellent ideal that never occured to me before.

It could perhaps be used as a test to verify if the interior of a gas car has broken down or it is generating something non magnetic. Since the field strength of the magnet is reduced by the filters plastic curved shape in addition to the plastic cartridge wall thickness as well. Getting a really strong modern magnet would be the best ideal. It should capture more iron oxide.

A weak conventional ceramic magnet may or may not be good enough. Some of the newer magntic materials have almost unbelievable strength in their fields. I think it is neoderm or some simular name for the superior magnets.

Maybe all those ebay cars have magnets on their fuel lines ?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-05-2012, 02:15 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 96
Hi, just as an addition to this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the rust grows as sort of icicles in the tank, as I can run my finger down the filler and feel tiny grains coming off. When the fuel sender came apart, I think it stirred up the little grains, knocking them off where they were growing. The magnet got me the time needed for the rust in the tank to settle down again.

I imagine most of the lining on our 40 year old tanks is "used up" and now we're going to always have rust. But maybe with a bit of care, the rust can remain undisturbed in there, until the tank rots through.

It might work to put one of those really strong magnets at the base of the in tank fuel filter, or it could clog worse. All I know is my little magnet is not catching much these days and I'm watching the fuel gauge needle: it'll move rapidly when the float is moving rapidly and that means the sender is coming apart.
__________________
1971 220D, daily driver, new paint, 142K
1973 220D, low compression
1975 300D, back on the road! 166K
1971 220D, salvage, rear hit, engine excellent
1972 250, bad cam, but runs!
1971 230, engine stuck
1971 220D, low compression, rusty
1976 240D, salvage, engine excellent
1966 230SL, water in oil after rebuild
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-05-2012, 02:40 PM
Tanksowner's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 258
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeppo2K2 View Post
Hi, just as an addition to this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the rust grows as sort of icicles in the tank, as I can run my finger down the filler and feel tiny grains coming off. When the fuel sender came apart, I think it stirred up the little grains, knocking them off where they were growing. The magnet got me the time needed for the rust in the tank to settle down again.

I imagine most of the lining on our 40 year old tanks is "used up" and now we're going to always have rust. But maybe with a bit of care, the rust can remain undisturbed in there, until the tank rots through.

It might work to put one of those really strong magnets at the base of the in tank fuel filter, or it could clog worse. All I know is my little magnet is not catching much these days and I'm watching the fuel gauge needle: it'll move rapidly when the float is moving rapidly and that means the sender is coming apart.
Is this happening regardless of how much fuel is in the tank? Mine typically jumps when it's at R.

__________________
Never be ashamed to ask for help.

1985 300D
1987 300SDL
1970 Jaguar E-Type OTS
2002 Dodge Intrepid (Traded In)
2011 Ford Crown Victoria
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page