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Peteljuice 05-13-2012 05:15 PM

Compression Test Results, not good...
 
Hello All-

After adjusting the valves to spec (1977 300d non-turbo) and doing a compression test, I received the following results:

1- 260
2- 260
3- zero
4- zero
5- 220

I was pretty disappointed in the results. I did this compression test cold, as the car would not start. The last time the car ran was about 3 months ago. During this time, I experienced a significant decrease in power. The next day, the glow plugs did not work, and I have been diagnosing problems since. I decided that the go/no go decision on fixing this car would be the results of the compression test. I know people usually do this test with a warm engine, but I did not have the luxury.

I am thinking that it may be:
1. Rings going bad, and thus losing compression.
2. Stuck Valves.
3. Bad head gasket (I would like to put my money on this, as the performance issue was more abrupt, and there are two cylinders affected, and not just one.

Is there anything else that may have caused this?

To fixing any one of these problems, I am obligated to pull the head off correct?

BTW, I used a compression tester from Harbor Freight. This was done through the injector holes, with head shields removed. (Injectors, BTW, overall, are covered with carbon, however the cleanest of the five were from the cylinders with zero compression...) I would love any input you might have.

kerry 05-13-2012 06:40 PM

Clean injectors on two adjacent cylinders with no compression is a strong indication of coolant getting into those cylinders and cleaning out the carbon hence a bad head gasket. Now many revolutions of the engine were you using to get those numbers?

How many miles on the engine?

vstech 05-13-2012 07:12 PM

totally stuck closed rings would have significant low compression, but not zero... a blown head gasket would have significant low compression, but not zero... missing valve heads/broken valves would have zero compression... a hole in the pistons could show zero compression... although, the diesel compression tester, has a schrader valve that opens above a certain psi on the HF tester... possibly it needs higher pressure to reveal any pressure on the gauge... not sure...

Peteljuice 05-14-2012 02:51 AM

I cranked the engine about 6-8 revolutions for each cylinder. There is only 150,000 miles on the car. It is older (77') but I have. Hanged the oil regularly since I have owned it. The HF tester may not register at low c

Peteljuice 05-14-2012 02:55 AM

I did about 6-8 revolutions per cylinder. The car has about 150,000 on it which isn't a lot and I have changed the oil regularly since I took ownership. I am really not sure about the HF gauge but I suspect it could only open at a higher psi. It sounds like either way I am looking at removIng the head. The coolant sounds like it would make sense as there was a noticeable difference in the appearance of the injectors on the cylinders with no cOmpression.

barry123400 05-14-2012 10:47 AM

There is another test but not really required. The head has to come off in my opinion. Gasket may have just corroded or deteriorated with age.

Head may still be flat. Not the worse senario in your situation as rather than being somewhat labour intensive it should not be expensive hopefully.

funola 05-14-2012 11:24 AM

I'd throw out the schrader valve not opening below a certain psi theory. The should open with very low psi. On the cylinders with zero psi, crank with your finnger over the glow plug holes. You should feel zero pressure, otherwise you had a leak in your compression tester.

SoCal Diesel 05-14-2012 12:41 PM

If the zero compression is being caused from a head gasket leak into a cooling water jacket you MAY see some bubbles in the radiator while cranking the engine. A leakdown test though would tell you for sure what's what.

funola 05-14-2012 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal Diesel (Post 2937119)
If the zero compression is being caused from a head gasket leak into a cooling water jacket you MAY see some bubbles in the radiator while cranking the engine. A leakdown test though would tell you for sure what's what.

A head gasket leak into the cooling system big enough to cause zero compression would blow the cooling system to bits. :D

chasinthesun 05-14-2012 02:16 PM

Ill link some ideas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFcKOYXaTWM

Peteljuice 05-14-2012 02:18 PM

So maybe a stuck valve then? I gues I could try and soak the cyl

Peteljuice 05-14-2012 02:19 PM

In brake fluid or that Mystery oil to see if it changes anything re the rings, but I feel that is definitely not it.

Stretch 05-14-2012 02:22 PM

If you were really measuring a true zero then you should not be able to feel anything sucking / flowing past your finger / hand whilst pressed up against the glow plug hole. (Er with all the glow plugs removed from the engine to help the starter and battery along)

I'd do this simple test first before zipping off for a leak down tester or pulling stuff to bits.

layback40 05-14-2012 08:31 PM

What sort of fuel has it been run on?
Was there a lot of blow by?
As you have 2 low results next to each other it is most likely a blown head gasket.
Head removal is the only option.

bigblockchev 05-14-2012 09:45 PM

Check this first
 
With zero compression the one thing that jumps out at me is did you adjust the valves correctly. It is free to check so maybe do this first. Loosen the valve adjusters on the low cylinders by quite a bit then re check for that matter loosen them all. if the results go up then they were too tight. I have been bit by this before. If the valves never close you will get no compression. Also Harbor Freight guages are crap I have one here that did not last through the first test , crapped out after 2 cylinders. Also you can get a bit of heat in the engine by plugging the block heater in for at least an hour , it won't be hot but it will be warm. Cheers Dan


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