1982 European Spec 300D with factory 4 SPD Manual - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

wolram3 · #1 06-24-2012, 12:17 AM

I have a 1982 Euro Spec 300D Turbo with factory 4 speed manual transmission. I have heard that these are extremely rare and hard to find. I am trying to sell this car but I have no idea what its value is, I've looked around a bit and not really found enough to base a good price on. Can anybody help me with this? It has a perfect paint job (no rust) with colour matched wheels, and a minor dent in the roof. The gearbox is nice and smooth with no problems, it runs well but blows blue smoke (burning oil I think, probably a seal problem). It needs a replacement warming relay. It also has no A/C and the turbo is in the way of putting in an A/C unit (or at least as far as I can tell by looking at where it is on my other Mercs). It has a blue cloth interior, which is honestly in pretty terrible condition. It has 191,831 miles on it. I posted this here and not in ads because I have no idea how much this is worth, and I don't know where else to post something like this. Will post pictures if anyone is interested. Thanks.

vstech · #2 06-24-2012, 12:50 AM

I paid 200 for mine...

it needed all the windows replaced though...

post up some pics, interior as well. it's hard to get a price on these things... the flywheel, and drive shaft are likely worth the most to someone wanting parts in their turbo car...

gastropodus · #3 06-24-2012, 01:27 AM

They're rare, but not so rare that you don't see them now and then. There was one on craigslist two years ago that I looked at; it was rust-free but oxidized, and had a lot of little things (and maybe a few big things) wrong with it. The owner was asking $1500 for it. It had some kind of engine or turbo issue: torque was non-existent at low RPM, and then at some RPM the turbo would kick in - VROOM! This made shifting quite a challenge!

Kurt

wolram3 · #4 06-24-2012, 02:08 AM

She drives smoothly and shifts beautifully... smoothest car I've ever driven. The only problem running wise seems to be the blue smoke, not sure about electronics but tomorrow will be used checking and fixing those, maybe I'll fix the blue smoke after I finish replacing the cylinder head on my '79 (which I am also selling). I was hoping for 7k out of both so I could do an engine swap in something more suited for me, but doesn't look like that will happen. Anyway, here's some pictures.

engatwork · #5 06-24-2012, 07:40 AM

Nice looking car. Wonder where it is located?

Stevo · #6 06-24-2012, 09:15 AM

Does the odometer work?

t walgamuth · #7 06-24-2012, 09:28 AM

Its a desireable combination. Mileage unknown since the speedo has been changed. Condition is everything. Value from 500 to 2000 is about where I would be. Personal inspection necessary to put a fine point on the value. A repaint suggests possible rust repair in general especially on euro models.

POS · #8 06-24-2012, 09:36 AM

$1000 would be my estimate. No AC, rough interior hurting you the most.

Air&Road · #9 06-24-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by POS

$1000 would be my estimate. No AC, rough interior hurting you the most.

I have two Euro 123's with aftermarket a/c systems using a Sanden compressor.

I read some time ago that there were never TURBO 30oD manuals built, even for the Euro market. I guess you can't always believe what your read.

wolram3 · #10 06-24-2012, 11:54 AM

The odometer does work, here is another picture of it 30 miles later along with some more of the interior. As far as I can tell there is no way of fitting A/C in there without removing some turbo piping that you can see in my earlier picture. How much do you think it would raise the value if I were to fix the interior? Thanks to all of you.

wolram3 · #11 06-24-2012, 11:56 AM

Couple more pictures, one of the dent in the roof. I am located in Texas along with this car.

vstech · #12 06-24-2012, 12:17 PM

that motor did not come with the car. it is out of an 82+ US car. it came with a/c as the suction tube is still present in front of the valve cover.
unless the interior is pristine, and the dents are removed, and the engine smoke is fixed(likely either blowby issues, or turbo seal issues) it's unlikely you are getting more than 1500 for the car.
the 4 speed manuals are abundant in the US from the 240 chassis, and they also have the euro style manual climate control. the cloth seats are sought after, but yours are worn pretty badly. your dash is heavily cracked, and it needs at a minimum a heavy detailing on the paint, if not a complete repaint.

you have a decent set of euro bumpers. those can get some decent money, if they are not damaged, and the flywheel that SHOULD be in your car is highly sought after.

wolram3 · #13 06-24-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vstech

that motor did not come with the car. it is out of an 82+ US car. it came with a/c as the suction tube is still present in front of the valve cover.
unless the interior is pristine, and the dents are removed, and the engine smoke is fixed(likely either blowby issues, or turbo seal issues) it's unlikely you are getting more than 1500 for the car.
the 4 speed manuals are abundant in the US from the 240 chassis, and they also have the euro style manual climate control. the cloth seats are sought after, but yours are worn pretty badly. your dash is heavily cracked, and it needs at a minimum a heavy detailing on the paint, if not a complete repaint.

you have a decent set of euro bumpers. those can get some decent money, if they are not damaged, and the flywheel that SHOULD be in your car is highly sought after.

Which tube is the suction tube? And I guess you are saying that whoever owned it before me removed the A/C to put a turbo in? Although that makes no sense here (it's about 100 degrees out right now) I suppose people do funny things sometimes... unless the compressor was installed somewhere else than it is in my other W123s? Can you tell me where it would be exactly? As far as engine issues go I can fix those, I can also at least do the dash I would think...

junqueyardjim · #14 06-24-2012, 02:53 PM

Well what he is saying is that the current engine in your car looks to be a replacement in total. It is not a workable, liveable situation to put a turbo in a naturally aspirated 300D. They just are not built for the turbo, (tho physically it can be done). The 300D and the 300D Turbo do look alike and do share many features, but it ends there and the 300D is not capable of turbocharging. So the factory didn't sell it that way, previous post writer points out that it is obvious the engine did once have AC on it. I think when all is said and done, as the car sits, except if you sell the car to someone in your area, that you are looking at $750.00 to $1000.00 tops.

charmalu · #15 06-26-2012, 02:37 AM

The metal ine in front of the valve cover with some foam still on it, and goes under your yellow over flow bottle is the AC line.
Then from under the air intake tube there is a line that runs along the Passenger inner fender to the left of the battery. that also looks like an AC line.

Look behind the R/F headlight, is there the reciever Drier? that small line should go to it if it did have AC.

Look in the drivers side of the engine block just in front of the oil filter housing. there should be some numbers stamped in the block. If it is a turbo engine will have 617.952 in the numbers. or could be 617.951 if the engine came out of a 300SD. if the numbers are 617.912 or something like that, then someone added a turbo to it. that would be a Naturally Asperated engine. but if it is a NA engine, it wouldn`t have the AC line across the VC, more than likely it would have had the York Compressor mounted on the R/F top of the engine.

To get a high dollar out of this car, you will have to put more into it than you will reap from all your time and money.

I think this Euro thing and cloth seats doesn`t make it valuable. it is just another old MB that has been neglected.

What is the differential gear ratio? it will be stamped on the left lower corner of the Diff case. 3:46, 3:07 etc....

The Radiator is not a Turbo Radiator. Looks more like one for a NA engine. a Turbo engine will have the expantion tank. this one looks like it has a metal top. most of them are plastic.

Charlie