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300 tdt Clutch Issues
I did not see this issue addressed in previous posts...
I have a 300 TDT. I put a manual trany/ flywheel/ Clutch from a 1980 240D in the car and I like the way it drives. My issue is that I have been through 2 clutch discs in 2 years. The springs in the disk break. I have used new Sachs clutch parts. I don't drive too hard and I have had clutches in other cars (old volvo wagon) last 10-15 years. Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a heavy duty/better clutch I can put in this car?
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1980 300TD with 1985 300TD Turbo motor and 240D 4 speed. |
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I too had two springs in my clutch Disk break after I did my swap in the 85.
I pulled the transmission out after 22K miles for another problem unrelated to the Disk. When I was reinstalling the transmission it wouldn`t go back in. the Pilot bearing came out with the transmission and was causing me the problem. removed the clutch assy, and heard a rattle from the Disk. the 2 large springs across from each other had a broken coil. there was also a borken piece of metal in the center part of the Disk. Called Roy (WHUNTER) and he said he has seen this happen before quite a few times over the years. I ordered a new one, and was $148 , now I see they are $160 and I thought they were expensive when I bought the first one back in 09. Charlie
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616... 1) Not much power 2) Even less power 3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast. 80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works |
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I had a clutch disc spring come adrift and knock the slave push rod out of the cup at the end of the T/O bearing lever arm. Mine was probably the original clutch tho. 2 clutch discs in 2 years is not normal ware unless you do ALLOT of driving. Did you have the flywheel resurfaced? New pilot bearing?
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1985 Euro 240D 5 spd 140K 1979 240D 5 spd, 40K on engine rebuild 1994 Dodge/Cummins, 5 spd, 121K 1964 Allice Chalmers D15 tractor 2014 Kubota L3800 tractor 1964 VW bug "Lifes too short to drive a boring car" |
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Fly wheel, pressure plate, Pilot berring look good. Do you know anything about the Beck Arnly product. I am sick of taking this thing apart.
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1980 300TD with 1985 300TD Turbo motor and 240D 4 speed. |
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Any judder or vibration?
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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This could be one of the reasons for the 300's having the 38# flywheels. The heavier fw smooths out the power pulses.
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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC] ..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis. |
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I really haven`t read in all the trans 4-spd swap threads of the clutch springs breaking, and I have read a lot of them. the availability of the heavier 617 FW is very rare to locate. It was dumb luck when I stumbled upon mine last Nov.
I `ll have it installed and should have the car back up and running before winter hits again. we`ll see how this new Disk holds up. Charlie
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616... 1) Not much power 2) Even less power 3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast. 80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works |
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I didn`t have any of that with starting out or shifting between gears, but there is some when getting in 4th gear if the RPM`s drop to about 2700. then shifting into 3rd at 50mph or so and it all goes away. only get it in 4th. I have the 2:88 differential. with the 3:07 Diff it might be different. Charlie
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616... 1) Not much power 2) Even less power 3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast. 80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works |
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I think Beck Arnly is a repackager of various parts suppliers. Charlie
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616... 1) Not much power 2) Even less power 3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast. 80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works |
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Like Charlie said, losing the disc springs is not a symptom with the lighter F/W, I would have it resurfaced, its not much money. They did it at the local Napa parts store for me. It may "look good" but not be.
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1985 Euro 240D 5 spd 140K 1979 240D 5 spd, 40K on engine rebuild 1994 Dodge/Cummins, 5 spd, 121K 1964 Allice Chalmers D15 tractor 2014 Kubota L3800 tractor 1964 VW bug "Lifes too short to drive a boring car" |
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... perhaps you are loading too much stress on the disc with the ultra tall gear? normal gearing for a manual trans is like 3.48 or 3.69... 2.88 would slip a bunch engaging first from a stop, and bang each gear between shifts...
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No chatter, or anything I would notice as abnormal... That is up until the springs break and get wedged between the disk and the pressure plate. I am running a 3.07 rear end and do need to use a little extra cluch when starting on a hill. The disk itself is not too warn though.
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1980 300TD with 1985 300TD Turbo motor and 240D 4 speed. |
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Must be due to the lighter 240D FW, not dampening the pulses as well. As mentioned above could be part of the reason for a heavier 5cyl FW.
I have a 4spd in my 82 TD w/ 85 2:88 R end. Recent swap, has been running great, but I will definitely try to avoid that 'buzz' zone lugging 3rd/4th. I have a new Sachs Clutch, hopefully it holds up for a while since i do not want to tear into it again in the near future! I doubt it would have anything to do with the R end ratio, this may be harder on the lining but i don't see how it would damage the spring hub, unless of course you are shifting very hard which you probably are not. The 2:88 in my car is just fine with the 4spd, although reverse is quite fast! We should start a poll to see how clutch discs have been holding up with this swap.
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I burned through clutched but never had a problem with the springs. Eventually went with the GD flywheel which is as heavy as the D but a bigger clutch.
I see you have an 85, did you make the pilot hole bigger or make the pilot bearing smaller?
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Well I have had no issues with the clutch on my conversion, knock on wood... I do have the heavier FW and I had it machined by a clutch shop before going in. Sorry I don't have any ideas what's going on with yours but maybe my experience adds a little credibility to the heavier FW idea, ?
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1983 300TD - 202k with 5 speed Getrag conversion |
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