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kerry 01-27-2013 06:54 PM

Little known fact about diesel aviation
 
Stalin swapped diesel engines into his bombers to strike back at Berlin after German forces bombed Moscow.

Soviet bombing raids

kerry 01-27-2013 06:58 PM

Charomskiy ACh-30 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fulcrum525 01-27-2013 07:12 PM

I remember hearing about this briefly on the old Discovery Wings show but I can't remember which episode it was.

I do have to say that that show was a VERY well done series!

Pooka 01-27-2013 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 3090885)
Stalin swapped diesel engines into his bombers to strike back at Berlin after German forces bombed Moscow.

Soviet bombing raids

Somehow I knew this would involve the Russians before I even opened the link. It just sounds like one of the out-of-the-box things they would do during that era.

Interesting reading. Thanks for posting it.

Adriel 01-27-2013 07:41 PM

Actually the Germans were first: Junkers Ju 86 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .
One of many hobbies is German World War Two aircraft, especially collecting and building 1/72 models though been a LONG time.

Palangi 01-27-2013 07:55 PM

I was a bit surprised to hear that Cessna is selling a diesel engine version of the 182 Skylane. Runs on Jet-A fuel. They don't advertise it as a diesel, but if you Wiki the engine, that's exactly what it is. They claim 30~40% better fuel economy. Engine made in France.

Skylane JT-A

Adriel 01-27-2013 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Palangi (Post 3090906)
I was a bit surprised to hear that Cessna is selling a diesel engine version of the 182 Skylane. Runs on Jet-A fuel. They don't advertise it as a diesel, but if you Wiki the engine, that's exactly what it is. They claim 30~40% better fuel economy. Engine made in France.

Skylane JT-A

Vater had a private V.F.R. license so have some aviation interest, but been a long time since I was at the airport. Isn't Jet A considerably more then low lead? Though an interesting concept!

qwerty 01-27-2013 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Adriel (Post 3090909)
Isn't Jet A considerably more then low lead?

AirNav: Fuel Price Report

Air&Road 01-27-2013 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palangi (Post 3090906)
I was a bit surprised to hear that Cessna is selling a diesel engine version of the 182 Skylane. Runs on Jet-A fuel. They don't advertise it as a diesel, but if you Wiki the engine, that's exactly what it is. They claim 30~40% better fuel economy. Engine made in France.

Skylane JT-A

Yes, not too many months ago there was an article in "AOPA Pilot" about a diesel powered Cessna. Since new 182's cost something in the several hundred thousand dollar range these days, I did not pay much attention to the article.

Air&Road 01-27-2013 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Adriel (Post 3090909)
Vater had a private V.F.R. license so have some aviation interest, but been a long time since I was at the airport. Isn't Jet A considerably more then low lead? Though an interesting concept!

Oddly enough jet a is less expensive than 100LL but not available at all small airports.

Adriel 01-27-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3090951)
Yes, not too many months ago there was an article in "AOPA Pilot" about a diesel powered Cessna. Since new 182's cost something in the several hundred thousand dollar range these days, I did not pay much attention to the article.

Does technology/trends not trickle down like in housing? Vater was saying there is a diesel Veryeasy. Maybe some day there will be more and powered by biodiesel.

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3090954)
Oddly enough jet a is less expensive than 100LL but not available at all small airports.

I asked Vater and then qwerty posted the chart. What I think I was thinking of was the high cost to operate jet aircraft.

Makes sense it isn't as available as avgas, which is the same for mogas. I sure hope they keep the ethanol out of any gas going into aircraft and keep the ll. Just waiting for the later to change to ground private aviation. Vater was the one to mention it and told him there are too many pilots to happen right away. Though Meigs Airfield was done overnight...

Air&Road 01-27-2013 10:22 PM

NO ETHNOL ALLOWED in aviation fuel!

In fact a few years ago it was common to obtain an STC which is basically a legal modification, allowing legal use of auto gas (called mogas in the aircraft world) in some smaller general aviation engines. When the ethanol fuel came along this lost popularity since it became a hassle to find fuel free of ethanol.

As a result we are currently paying about $4.50 to $5.25 for 100LL. There is talk of eliminating 100LL. If that happens I am not sure what the result will be for general aviation.

jay_bob 01-27-2013 10:41 PM

I have a station that just opened up the road from me that sells ethanol free 87 octane. I began using it in my and my wife's gasser vehicles and it is worth it. 30 cents price difference as of today ($3.389 vs $3.089 for E10/87) but it returns several mpg more and it is not slowly killing my engine and fuel systems.

rscurtis 01-28-2013 11:23 AM

Another advantage of the diesel general aviation engine is the elimination of the possibility of CO poisoning.

Adriel 01-28-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rscurtis (Post 3091149)
Another advantage of the diesel general aviation engine is the elimination of the possibility of CO poisoning.

Please elaborate. :D


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