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Old 03-18-2013, 08:38 PM
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80' 300cd 300 MILES ON DEAD BATTERY

cranked her up early morn for a 300mi drive... stopped for fuel 190mi out, she wouldn't crank, got a jump and drove rest of the way non stop, pulled up, parked turned her off and attempted to restart... got nothing. jumped her over and drove 300mi without turning her off. Next morning - nothing... pulled battery returned to Interstate Battery Dealer, tested good, chargered for 2hrs, still good, they say, check alternater, returned home and placed battery on slow charge for the night. Question... why would car run 300mi distances with faulty charging system? If car will run for long periods, alternator is charging to some degree? why dosen't battery take charge generated by alternator and hold it enough charge to provide ample, sustainable and reliable cranking amps?
Car calls for 55amp alt, how does a 80amp alt benefit my situation... should i up grade? Thanks guys.

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Old 03-18-2013, 08:53 PM
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Once started, diesel will run till its out of fuel. One of the best things about them. Of course, lights are handy to have. I've started mine and pulled the battery out to start another car and driven the diesel home.

Is the alt charging? Is the belt loose? I'd start there
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Car will run forever with a faulty charging system. There's no connection between the charging system and the operation of the engine.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:57 PM
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I say alternator

When I first got my 300D, I was driving it to a friend's house about 20 minutes away. The radio started getting fuzzy and the headlights were incredibly dim, but the car didn't miss a beat. As soon as I shut it off, dead. Next day, jumped it and drove it on a dead battery to my mechanic who diagnosed the issue.

It's most likely the alternator, or the internal voltage regulator brushes are too worn.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:15 PM
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I agree with Tanksowner.

However, if that doesn't do it (i.e. alternator check out ok), then the next place would be to look for a draw. A few years ago our 300sd kept losing charge despite a new battery & good alternator. In the end, I chased down a draw from the power antenna. It had enough juice to turn on dome lights/exterior lights etc, but never enough for cranking the motor. BTW, if this is the case, chasing down a draw is fairly straight forward (even for the less electrically inclined people like myself). Keep us posted.
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If you want, you can throw parts at it until you are blue in the face. It's your wallet. However, if you would like to really find out quickly what is wrong with it you will need a multimeter. With the leads placed across the battery, and taking readings in Vdc and Vac, with the engine running, you can almost immediately determine what is wrong. Anything else and your just guessing.
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I drove my car for over a month with out the alternator charging the battery.....one day is was just dead....got a jump.....and I came home....my problem....I put a new connector on the umbilical cord on the rear of the gauge cluster....and forgot to put the alternator pin in the connector.....

When you turn the key on your car does the charge/battery light illuminate? If that bulb is not lighting it will not charge the battery..


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As stated above, mechanical diesels will run without a functioning electrical system once started. Troubleshooting battery and starting system problems is pretty tough without a multimeter. Fortunately you can buy one good enough for that purpose from Harbor Freight and other sources for around ten bucks. A battery with a good charge on it will show a voltage around 12.5 volts with the engine off. Once started, the alternator should put out around 14, a bit less if there are other electrical loads present and the engine is at idle. Load testing a charged battery will tell you if the battery is still good. This requires a load tester, which is a different tool, but many parts stores will load test a battery for free.
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I drove my car for over a month with out the alternator charging the battery.....one day is was just dead....got a jump.....and I came home....my problem....I put a new connector on the umbilical cord on the rear of the gauge cluster....and forgot to put the alternator pin in the connector.....

When you turn the key on your car does the charge/battery light illuminate? If that bulb is not lighting it will not charge the battery..
My 350SDL seems to be experiencing the same thing. I just replaced dash lights, and after reinstall, alternator seems to not be charging. Wife drove the car to Atlanta, and it sits there dead as I write this. Headed over today to take a look at it, but is there a diagram showing the alternator pin/connector?
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My 350SDL seems to be experiencing the same thing. I just replaced dash lights, and after reinstall, alternator seems to not be charging. Wife drove the car to Atlanta, and it sits there dead as I write this. Headed over today to take a look at it, but is there a diagram showing the alternator pin/connector?
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Car cranked, but just to get the car from my wife's workplace to a basement garage here in Atlanta. No gauges or lights. I need to get the car home where I can work on it in the comfort of my own garage...
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wiring to the alt is really simple, just two wires really... small one goes to the resistor/battery bulb and the big ones go to the battery.
I've built a jumper with a 40 ohm 10 watt resistor to clip onto the small post for alt testing in the field.
that and a jumper wire to VERIFY ground is to the alt case, and it's a sure test of the alternator.
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I appreciate all replies/help... First thing this morning with Battery fully charged and installed, she cranked, drove to auto parts store, checked charging system - battery/Alt test SAT. Pls note, lights, air, nor radio were on during the check. I did not use any auxilaries at all today and I cranked/started her with no problem several times. I failed to mention in initial post, at 25mi from home a loud buzzing noise sounded, coming from something behind the instrument cluster, lasted about 30 minutes and stopped. Radio started cutting out and in... during return trip, at night the dash lights were initially bright and then became dim, this went on until I arrived home and parked. Now I'm thinking... which function is causing the drain on both battery and Alt? Lights, Air, Radio/antenna, cluster instruments? I have the volt meter and will test charging sys with each function on individually and with everything on high at once. Anyone been here before? Thanks.
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I had a parasitic draw before, but it was steady which made it easy to find. I know glow plugs stuck on suck enough juice to overpower the alternator. Maybe look into that.
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That sounds very similar to what I was dealing with on my 'SD. For a brief while I installed one of those Priority Start batter saver things; it worked reasonably well by extending the battery drain intervals. However, in the end, the best thing I did was spend 30mins to isolate the draw from the fusepanel. I used a simple test light attached to the battery negative after disconnecting the negative lead, and touched every fuse (do a google search for instructions if needed). The one that lit up was the one with an open short. Once I narrowed down where the short was, I looked at the fuse panel guide to isolate which accessories it runs, and individually unplugged those, then retested with the test light, until I found out it was the power antenna.

edit: make sure you don't have any open doors, since those will mislead you as open shorts. If the hood light works, unscrew the bulb for this test also, or else it will appear as an open short.

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